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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Old fart?
Date: 18 Apr 2011 18:30:05
Message: <4dacbb6d$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/18/2011 12:08, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Where the hell rents movies for a dollar?

http://www.redbox.com/


Blu-ray is $1.50 a night.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Coding without comments is like
    driving without turn signals."


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Old fart?
Date: 18 Apr 2011 19:35:19
Message: <4daccab7$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:30:04 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> On 4/18/2011 12:08, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Where the hell rents movies for a dollar?
> 
> http://www.redbox.com/
> 
> 
> Blu-ray is $1.50 a night.

I'm glad I put that into that site as well, just to make the illusion 
complete. ;)

Along with the dispenser locator.  ;)

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Old fart?
Date: 19 Apr 2011 05:31:01
Message: <4dad5655$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/04/2011 00:35, Jim Henderson wrote:

> I'm glad I put that into that site as well, just to make the illusion
> complete. ;)
>
> Along with the dispenser locator.  ;)

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1144


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Old fart?
Date: 19 Apr 2011 05:34:07
Message: <4dad570f$1@news.povray.org>
>>>> Where the hell rents movies for a dollar?
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3q2n7c9
>>>
>>> Tell me you didn't expect this answer.
>>
>> How bizare... This really exists?
>
> No, I had a free hour and decided to mock up a website just so I could
> provide that answer to you.  It's completely a fantasy made up just so I
> could answer this question in this way.

I love the way it says "why pay $4 or $5 to buy a movie when you can 
rent one?"

You know, given that movies /actually/ cost about £15 or so, not $4 
[which is apparently about £2.50 at present].


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Old fart?
Date: 19 Apr 2011 05:37:01
Message: <4dad57bd@news.povray.org>
On 18/04/2011 17:09, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:02:19 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>
>> In reality, MS Word is /the only/ word processor that anybody ever uses.
>> I tiny few people might use OpenOffice these days, but most people have
>> never heard of it. To them, a word processor = MS Word.
>
> So, where did you pull the statistics for the number of people who use
> OpenOffice?  Did you just invent that statistic, or do you have a
> citation?
>
> Most of the people I deal with use OpenOffice and prefer it to Word.  So
> if you're just going with anecdotal evidence based on your own
> experiences, that's fine, but don't cite that as if it's fact.

Admittedly I don't know hundreds of thousands of people. Still, the vast 
majority of people I know IRL don't know what Linux is, have never heard 
of Firefox, and think MS Office is the only "proper" office suite. You 
know, as if anything you can download for free off the Internet is 
either an illegal pirate copy or a shoddy imitation.

If you're going to tell me that among computer experts the picture is 
different, then sure. But how many people are computer experts?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Old fart?
Date: 19 Apr 2011 05:45:36
Message: <4dad59c0$1@news.povray.org>
On 18/04/2011 17:07, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:50:10 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
>> Meh. I remember when you couldn't *get* software without paying money
>> for it! :-P
>>
>> $20 for a word processor isn't expensive. $200 is.
>
> Then you must be older than you claim, because freeware has been around
> nearly as long as computing has been.

I don't know about freeware. When I was a kid, "shareware" was very 
popular. Every issue of Amiga Format would come loaded down with useful 
little utilities that people had written, which you were /supposed/ to 
send money for if you use it regularly. I don't personally know of 
anybody who actually sent a cheque for 4 CHF or whatever to the remote 
country where the author lived.

Of course, back then distribution was kind of a problem. It costs money 
to mail 3" disks around the place. Not to mention that the disks 
themselves used to cost actual money. (By contrast, today you can buy a 
blank CD for literally pence.)

The Internet transformed all of that, of course. It wouldn't surprise me 
if that's why Linux happened when it did. What would have been one 
student's toy proof-of-concept OS kernel became an international 
phenomenon. I suspect without the net it would have been infeasible.

> $200 isn't very much money if you have it.  We've been over that before.

OK, so apparently $200 is currently roughly £120. (Which still doesn't 
take into account average incomes, average cost of living, etc., which 
presumably also differs between the UK and the US.) Even so, it still 
seems like a hell of a lot of money for a program that doesn't even *do* 
very much and isn't especially complicated.

Silly me, I'm thinking that prices have something to do with what it 
costs to produce something. This is the 21st century. Prices are driven 
by how much you can rip people off and get away with it...

> But as Darren said, if you don't want to pay $200 for it, don't - use a
> free alternative.  But don't be surprised if you discover that the free
> version doesn't have the same features as the $200 one does or can't read
> the files that people send you.

I *do* use one of the free alternatives. At home, anyway. At work, I use 
what my employer provides. More to the point, I have to *support* what 
my employer provides, which is why it's so infuriating that there's no 
documentation. [Which is how this discussion started in the first place.]

Of course, OpenOffice has no documentation either. But then you're just 
grateful to be getting a reasonably good bit of software for free...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Old fart?
Date: 19 Apr 2011 05:56:04
Message: <4dad5c34$1@news.povray.org>
>> STOP messages you can usually look up. (Almost all of them mean
>> "something happened which is never supposed to happen. Go check your
>> hardware and device drivers." But then, I guess that's the nature of a
>> kernel failure...)
>
> Um, yes, STOP messages are a type of ABEND (ie, Abnormal End) of the
> kernel.

Usually "unhandled kernel-mode exception" or "page fault in non-paged 
area". Fortunately, I haven't seen one of these for years now. I used to 
see them almost daily.

> But those aren't the only error messages I ever had to look up, and I
> never really had a problem finding *something* about the error I was
> running into, that was my point.

Perhaps you can tell me what event #3019 from MRxSmb means then, because 
the description merely says "the redirector failed to determine the 
connection type". (WHAT redirector? WHAT connection? WTF?)

> I'm not really sure what that has to do with what I was saying....

Once upon a time, a compiler or interpreter would have come with an 
extensive user manual. Today you get far less.

Then again, GHC costs nothing. The Pascal compiler I used to use cost me 
£80. (!!)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Old fart?
Date: 19 Apr 2011 11:46:31
Message: <4dadae57$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/19/2011 2:45, Invisible wrote:
> I don't personally know of anybody who actually sent a cheque

AFAIK, I'm the only person in the entire world that ever paid for WinZip.

> without the net it would have been infeasible.

Yep. And without Windows it would have been infeasible too, because there 
wouldn't be enough people with compatible hardware to have a hope in hell of 
getting it working on enough varieties of machines to make it worthwhile.

> of a lot of money for a program that doesn't even *do* very much and isn't
> especially complicated.

This coming from the guy who can't find the documentation on how to make it 
do stuff? :-) Granted, most people don't use most of its sophisticated 
features, but saying Word doesn't do much is like saying LaTeX just 
translates one text file into another format, no biggie.

> Silly me, I'm thinking that prices have something to do with what it costs
> to produce something. This is the 21st century. Prices are driven by how
> much you can rip people off and get away with it...

They always have been.

> I *do* use one of the free alternatives. At home, anyway. At work, I use
> what my employer provides. More to the point, I have to *support* what my
> employer provides, which is why it's so infuriating that there's no
> documentation. [Which is how this discussion started in the first place.]

Next time you have a problem, I'll show you how to find the answer. It's 
generally not difficult, altho sometimes it can be ugly. Especially if 
they've rearranged their site and you start getting 404's.  Really, 
Microsoft? You run Bing but you haven't figured out how to not have internal 
links to broken pages?

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Coding without comments is like
    driving without turn signals."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Old fart?
Date: 19 Apr 2011 11:50:49
Message: <4dadaf59$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/19/2011 2:56, Invisible wrote:
> Perhaps you can tell me what event #3019 from MRxSmb means then, because the
> description merely says "the redirector failed to determine the connection
> type". (WHAT redirector? WHAT connection? WTF?)

Type "smb redirector connector" into google. Hit #1 or #2:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315244

which does a fine job of explaining the problem and what to do about it 
(i.e., nothing).



For more background, just type in "smb redirector" to google, and one of the 
first hits is

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff686200%28WS.10%29.aspx

"SMB2 Client Redirector Caches Explained"


-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Coding without comments is like
    driving without turn signals."


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Old fart?
Date: 19 Apr 2011 11:55:35
Message: <4dadb077$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/04/2011 16:50, Darren New wrote:
> On 4/19/2011 2:56, Invisible wrote:
>> Perhaps you can tell me what event #3019 from MRxSmb means then,
>> because the
>> description merely says "the redirector failed to determine the
>> connection
>> type". (WHAT redirector? WHAT connection? WTF?)
>
> Type "smb redirector connector" into google. Hit #1 or #2:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315244
>
> which does a fine job of explaining the problem and what to do about it
> (i.e., nothing).

How did you know it's something to do with SMB?


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