Invisible wrote:
>>> So now I'm wondering if Windows provides any easy way to load and 
>>> save bitmapped images. GDI appears to allow you to load and save in 
>>> Windows Bitmap format - arguably amoung the worst file formats 
>>> *ever*. But what about something more sane?
>>
>> Are you using .NET or VB6?
> 
> Nope. I'm using Haskell, everybody's favourit programming language.
> 


sorry, i guess i missed something


BTW, you may like this news
http://tommd.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/kernel-modules-in-haskell/

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Invisible schrieb:

> So I asked the "vibrant Haskell community" about this. (Yes, the Haskell 
> community that's supposedly one of the strongest selling points of the 
> language.) Wanna take a guess how many people have bothered to reply?

Hm... a single one, who promptly got stoned for that? :-P

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>>> Are you using .NET or VB6?
>>
>> Nope. I'm using Haskell, everybody's favourit programming language.
> 
> sorry, i guess i missed something

No need to be sorry for trying to help. ;-)

> BTW, you may like this news
> http://tommd.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/kernel-modules-in-haskell/

Yeah, a few people have pointed this one out already.

The "House" they keep referring to was an entire OS written in pure 
Haskell. (At least, as far as Linux is an OS written in pure C - i.e., 
there are some small fragments of assembly as well.) All these guys have 
done is taken the work from House and adapted it to work with a standard 
Linux kernel. (I say "all" as if it's a small thing, but I'm just saying 
somebody else already did a lot of the heavily lifting.)

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>>> To be fair, a lot of what IE does was done before the post-hoc 
>>> standards were written. Backward compatibility is a bitch.
>>
>> Heh. And yet, IE6 is still horribly broken, years after those 
>> standards were written.
> 
> No surprise, given that it's obsolete since two version increments :-P

Let me just go check... Yep, my PC has IE6 installed.

Wanna guess how many other people also?

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>> Wanna take a guess how many people have bothered to reply?
> 
> Hm... a single one, who promptly got stoned for that? :-P

Er, actually zero.

That's the thing about Haskell. If you pop in and say "what the heck 
does 'monad' mean?" you'll get about 25 replies in less than 60 seconds. 
(NO I AM NOT EXAGGERATING! I've seen it happen *so many* times.) 
Actually, for THAT question, most of the replies will be "read this 
reference manual / blog post / text book". But if you ask something 
slightly less commonly asked, you'll get 25 people explain it to you 25 
different ways - one of which will hopefully make some sort of sense to you.

But, if you ask a question such as "why doesn't this work on Windows?" 
you will be greeted by deathly silence. Indeed, there are whole classes 
of questions which nobody will answer.

So basically, if you're a newbie and you're asking "easy" questions, 
you'll get a flood of replies and quickly conclude that Haskell has a 
vibrant and friendly community behind it. But as soon as you start 
asking "difficult" or just "uninteresting" questions... you'll form 
another opinion. *sigh*

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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:32:46 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> But, if you ask a question such as "why doesn't this work on Windows?"
> you will be greeted by deathly silence. Indeed, there are whole classes
> of questions which nobody will answer.

Maybe nobody knows.....

Jim

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>> But, if you ask a question such as "why doesn't this work on Windows?"
>> you will be greeted by deathly silence. Indeed, there are whole classes
>> of questions which nobody will answer.
> 
> Maybe nobody knows.....

While that *is* quite likely, it's also quite unhelpful.

Well anyway, I threatened them with http://www.bash.org/?152037 and now 
I seem to be getting useful hints at least. (Stuff like "turn on debug 
logging".)

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Orchid XP v8 schrieb:
>>> Heh. And yet, IE6 is still horribly broken, years after those 
>>> standards were written.
>>
>> No surprise, given that it's obsolete since two version increments :-P
> 
> Let me just go check... Yep, my PC has IE6 installed.
> 
> Wanna guess how many other people also?

Yeah, but I guess not many of them expect IE6 to get any better nowadays :-)

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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:01:02 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> But, if you ask a question such as "why doesn't this work on Windows?"
>>> you will be greeted by deathly silence. Indeed, there are whole
>>> classes of questions which nobody will answer.
>> 
>> Maybe nobody knows.....
> 
> While that *is* quite likely, it's also quite unhelpful.

That's the nature of online support.  People who don't know don't speak 
up because they don't feel they can contribute anything by saying "I have 
no idea".

> Well anyway, I threatened them with http://www.bash.org/?152037 and now
> I seem to be getting useful hints at least. (Stuff like "turn on debug
> logging".)

Heh, funny, but in reality that doesn't work either.  We get that on the 
openSUSE forums (where I'm now a moderator) occasionally, and the typical 
troll is "Linux sux and I'm moving back to windows", which gets the 
response "Have a lot of fun!"  (A tagline of sorts for SUSE).

Jim

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> Well anyway, I threatened them with http://www.bash.org/?152037 and now I 
> seem to be getting useful hints at least. (Stuff like "turn on debug 
> logging".)

It often seems to work.  Usually along the lines of "OS/program/API X sucks 
because it can't do Y", followed shortly by "GIYF/MSDN/help is your friend, 
actually you can do Y like this...".

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