Warp wrote:
>   Except that the PSP and the DS cost about the same. I haven't followed
> the pricing of the other consoles, though.

Are you talking retail price, or construction cost? A lot of these game 
consoles are very locked down because you don't pay the full price of the 
console up front. Same with phones, in the USA at least. A $500 phone is $50 
if you sign up for a 2-year contract.

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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> they just exploited a new 
> market, a market where the people don't care about CPU specs at all, and 
> Nintendo knew this.

  The graphical quality difference of games in the Nintendo consoles and
the others is quite large, but this might also be something which that
market doesn't care too much about. They want to play fun games, not games
which look awesome but which are often quite hard.

  For example, Wii graphics look like this:

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/711/711723/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-wii-version-20060607043210052_640w.jpg

while xbox 360 graphics look like this:

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/331/936112_20061128_screen001.jpg

  DS graphics look like this:

http://nintendo-ds.allack.co.uk/Images/Buy_Mario_Kart_DS_6.jpg

while PSP graphics look like this:

http://freepspdemos.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/ridge-racer-21.jpg
http://www.shacknews.com/images/generated/478e9944ec7e6_featured_without_text_silenthill.jpg

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Features don't sell.  Benefits do.

Henry Ford made so much money, not because he sold cars that could go X 
miles an hour, or Y miles on one gallon, but because he toured the 
country talking about how great being able to drive was.  He basically 
sold the idea of a mobile society, and contrasted sitting at home 
without a neighbor for 10 miles, with being able to visit family and 
friends anytime you want.

The PS3 is getting killed by the 360 in sales (and probably won't catch 
up before the next generation XBox comes along) partly because Sony 
focused on technical points, ie features, whereas MS actually focused on 
the entire user experience (ironic, isn't it?).  That doesn't just 
include one or two launch titles, but having games available in many 
genres, with the 360 also acting as a great media extender (I used it as 
one before I started using an LCD TV as my main computer monitor).

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Chambers wrote:
> partly because Sony 
> focused on technical points, ie features, whereas MS actually focused on 
> the entire user experience (ironic, isn't it?). 

What's ironic about it? Sony has always focussed on features and MS has 
always focussed on the user experience. That's why technical people don't 
like MS products.

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Darren New wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>> partly because Sony focused on technical points, ie features, whereas 
>> MS actually focused on the entire user experience (ironic, isn't it?). 
> 
> What's ironic about it? Sony has always focussed on features and MS has 
> always focussed on the user experience. That's why technical people 
> don't like MS products.

Not ironic that they focused on it, but ironic that they got it so right.

Of course, that's just some of my latent MS bashing sneaking to the 
surface again.  I've been pretty good about treating them objectively 
lately, but every now and then I still aim a barb in their direction :)

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Chambers wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Chambers wrote:
>>> partly because Sony focused on technical points, ie features, whereas 
>>> MS actually focused on the entire user experience (ironic, isn't it?). 
>>
>> What's ironic about it? Sony has always focussed on features and MS 
>> has always focussed on the user experience. That's why technical 
>> people don't like MS products.
> 
> Not ironic that they focused on it, but ironic that they got it so right.
> 
> Of course, that's just some of my latent MS bashing sneaking to the 
> surface again.  I've been pretty good about treating them objectively 
> lately, but every now and then I still aim a barb in their direction :)
> 
Nah. Keep up the bashing. lol If they built space stations, for example, 
you could be sure to suffocate, freeze, or get sucked out a 
malfunctioning airlock, while fully satisfied that the "experience" was 
the best you had ever had. Seriously, if Vista taught us anything, its 
that MS' *only* experience is in user experience, and that trying to do 
"technical" correctly makes for some very *bad* interface decisions on 
their part, such that you both get sucked out the airlock, and have to 
look at the peeled paint on the way out. ;)

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void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
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On 07/09/09 21:22, Chambers wrote:
> Features don't sell.  Benefits do.
>
> Henry Ford made so much money, not because he sold cars that could go X
> miles an hour, or Y miles on one gallon, but because he toured the
> country talking about how great being able to drive was. He basically
> sold the idea of a mobile society, and contrasted sitting at home
> without a neighbor for 10 miles, with being able to visit family and
> friends anytime you want.

	That doesn't sound like either features or benefits selling. The lesson 
I'm learning with this is "marketing sells".

	If you're in the US and you know any non-highly-technical people who 
use a VoIP line for their phone (one that isn't just some software on 
your PC), how many of them use Vonage? Ask them why they picked it, 
given the significantly cheaper alternatives.



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> Nah. Keep up the bashing. lol If they built space stations, for example, 
> you could be sure to suffocate, freeze, or get sucked out a malfunctioning 
> airlock,

...if it was running consumer Windows, maybe, but I doubt MS would do that 
for a space station.

BTW if you buy a Ford with the fancy bluetooth/USB connection, it will be 
running the Microsoft Auto OS which has been made to normal automotive 
software standards, and I've not heard any problems with it, in fact most 
people probably don't even realise MS made the software.

http://www.microsoft.com/auto/ma.mspx

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> If you're in the US and you know any non-highly-technical people who use a 
> VoIP line for their phone (one that isn't just some software on your PC), 
> how many of them use Vonage? Ask them why they picked it, given the 
> significantly cheaper alternatives.

A lot of the time people know that there might be cheaper alternatives out 
there, but they just can't be bothered to research it, or don't know how to. 
You could spend your whole life finding the cheapest of everything you want 
to buy, but then you'd have no time left to enjoy all the money you saved 
:-)

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scott wrote:
>> Nah. Keep up the bashing. lol If they built space stations, for 
>> example, you could be sure to suffocate, freeze, or get sucked out a 
>> malfunctioning airlock,
> 
> ...if it was running consumer Windows, maybe, but I doubt MS would do 
> that for a space station.
> 
> BTW if you buy a Ford with the fancy bluetooth/USB connection, it will 
> be running the Microsoft Auto OS which has been made to normal 
> automotive software standards, and I've not heard any problems with it, 
> in fact most people probably don't even realise MS made the software.
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/auto/ma.mspx
> 
So, they can do limited function, single task stuff well.. like DOS. lol


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void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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