>> So... unless I don't connect any SATA devices, it is *actually 
>> impossible* to fit this particular graphics card. Weeeeee!! :-D
> 
> Could you not fit a 90 degree SATA socket, like this one:
> 
> http://estore.asus.com/images/14-000107075.jpg

Hmm... It's possible. Would be a pretty tight fit though.

OTOH, I just remembered that my motherboard (being a high-end "delux" 
version) has a second SATA controller. So I think I can use the sockets 
for that. I forget where those are, but I think they're on a different 
part of the board...

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nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I'm not making this stuff up!!
> 
> How many horsepower in there?  They must be stallions! :D

715 gigaFLOPS, bitches!! :-D

[Er, but that's *peak* performance. And at *single* precision.]


Also... 182 W TDP? o_O
I think that's more then the *radiator* in my bedroom!

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Darren New wrote:

> We sell more than everyone else put together! How do we do it? Volume! 
> Our ads are louder than anyone else's!

I don't know about adverts, but I'm wondering how loud that fan is going 
to be... ;-)

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>> http://estore.asus.com/images/14-000107075.jpg
>
> Hmm... It's possible. Would be a pretty tight fit though.
>
> OTOH, I just remembered that my motherboard (being a high-end "delux" 
> version) has a second SATA controller. So I think I can use the sockets 
> for that. I forget where those are, but I think they're on a different 
> part of the board...

That was going to be my next suggestion :-)  I have not seen a motherboard 
with all the SATA sockets exactly in the same place.  I think mine has a 
header near the back for an "external SATA" socket - but unused currently.

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>> OTOH, I just remembered that my motherboard (being a high-end "delux" 
>> version) has a second SATA controller. So I think I can use the 
>> sockets for that. I forget where those are, but I think they're on a 
>> different part of the board...
> 
> That was going to be my next suggestion :-)  I have not seen a 
> motherboard with all the SATA sockets exactly in the same place.  I 
> think mine has a header near the back for an "external SATA" socket - 
> but unused currently.

My motherboard is a £90 Gigabyte K8N Ultra-SLI powered by the nForce 4 
SLI chipset, which gives you 4 SATA II ports that can be configured for 
RAID. Gigabyte then added an onboard Silicon Image SATA controller, 
giving you an additional 4 SATA II ports. (This is on top of not one but 
*two* Firewire ports - one of them a faster Firewire-B port - two 
gigabit Ethernet ports [remember when those used to be expensive? This 
was back then!!], and of course SLI support [SLI was still very new.])

More impressive still, not only does the board have 8 SATA sockets, but 
THEY GIVE YOU EIGHT SATA CABLES!

COLOUR CODED!!

As one reviewer wrote, "penny-pinching is not evident".

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/finally-available,review-1164-12.html

 From the image here (which is for the GA K8NXP-9), it appears that the 
extra SATA sockets are on the bottom edge of the board, clear of the GPU 
bay. So that ought to be usable.

Damn, I spent £90 on a motherboard, and today it's almost a museum 
piece. How technology moves on, eh? (Remember, back then socket-939 was 
supposed to be "the next Big Thing"...)

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On 1/29/2009 1:03 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>
>> We sell more than everyone else put together! How do we do it? Volume!
>> Our ads are louder than anyone else's!
>
> I don't know about adverts, but I'm wondering how loud that fan is going
> to be... ;-)

The larger the fan, the slower it needs to spin to move the same volume 
of air.

Most of the time, it should be quiet enough.  Unless you're playing a 
game, doing some heavy Photoshop stuff, running Vista with Aero, looking 
at it wrong, et cetera.  You get the idea :)

-- 
...Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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Invisible wrote:

> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/finally-available,review-1164-12.html
> 
>  From the image here (which is for the GA K8NXP-9), it appears that the 
> extra SATA sockets are on the bottom edge of the board, clear of the GPU 
> bay. So that ought to be usable.

Or, better yet, here:

http://www.giga-byte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=1867

Click to enlarge the image. You'll see 4 *yellow* SATA connectors. Those 
are from the nForce 4 chipset. You'll also see 4 *red* SATA connectors. 
These are from the Silicon Image SATA controller. (And so these don't 
have the RAID feature - which is "host-based RAID" anyway, as it happens.)

The box for the motherboard actually contains 4 red and 4 yellow SATA 
cables. And colour-coded IDE and FDD cables. And several types of PSU 
adaptors. And... Seriously, the box contains everything you could 
possibly need to set this board up. It was way more than just a 
cardboard box with a PCB in it! :-D

You can also see where the two PCI Express slots of the twin graphics 
cards are. (Remember, this is a 2-way SLI board.) I think my new card 
actually extends off the edge of the motherboard! o_O

Also, on checking, the card takes 2 bay slots - so looking at the 
placement of those PCI slots, it looks like you *could* fit two of 
these. At least, there's enough physical space. I can't believe that the 
airflow would be in any way "optimal" though...

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>> I don't know about adverts, but I'm wondering how loud that fan is going
>> to be... ;-)
> 
> The larger the fan, the slower it needs to spin to move the same volume 
> of air.

Yes, but OTOH... if they fitted a fan this huge in the first place, this 
suggests it's going to need it. ;-)

I mean, Jesus, the card is 2 bays wide just so it can accomodate enough 
heatsinks and fans. It has a TDP of 182W!! o_O

> Most of the time, it should be quiet enough.  Unless you're playing a 
> game, doing some heavy Photoshop stuff, running Vista with Aero, looking 
> at it wrong, et cetera.  You get the idea :)

Really? Interesting. The fan on my existing card (nVidia GeForce 7900GT) 
spins at constant speed.

(As does the CPU fan. But that probably just means you need a special 
driver to throttle it...)

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On 1/29/2009 2:07 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Really? Interesting. The fan on my existing card (nVidia GeForce 7900GT)
> spins at constant speed.
>
> (As does the CPU fan. But that probably just means you need a special
> driver to throttle it...)

That's funny... you would think that a card that advanced would know how 
to throttle the fan.  My 4850 certainly does (in fact, I almost never 
hear it, even when playing games!)

-- 
...Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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> http://www.giga-byte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=1867
>
> Click to enlarge the image. You'll see 4 *yellow* SATA connectors. Those 
> are from the nForce 4 chipset. You'll also see 4 *red* SATA connectors.

Can't you use the other PCIe slot for the new GPU?  Or does the first one 
have to go in the right slot?

Does the GPU really cover all 4 of the SATA sockets? Wow.

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scott wrote:

> Can't you use the other PCIe slot for the new GPU?  Or does the first 
> one have to go in the right slot?

I *believe* the first GPU has to go in the upper slot. I'll check the 
manual. (The manual is currently downloading from Gigabyte's website at 
roughly 1KB/sec, as is typical for motherboard downloads...)

> Does the GPU really cover all 4 of the SATA sockets? Wow.

Well, I haven't actually tried it, but it's 2 bays wide, and holding it 
up against the motherboard (which isn't easy) it appears to be longer 
then the full width of the board, so...

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> I *believe* the first GPU has to go in the upper slot. I'll check the 
> manual. (The manual is currently downloading from Gigabyte's website at 
> roughly 1KB/sec, as is typical for motherboard downloads...)

Hehe, would be quicker just to try it out and see if it boots or not.

Yeh, why is it that all MB manufacturers have websites with a total 
bandwidth of 4kb/sec?  And just when you need some simple onboard sound 
driver quickly, you see it's a 63MB download and it's going to take 3 weeks 
to complete.

> Well, I haven't actually tried it, but it's 2 bays wide, and holding it up 
> against the motherboard (which isn't easy) it appears to be longer then 
> the full width of the board, so...

To cover all 4 SATA sockets it must be pretty thick.

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scott wrote:
>> I *believe* the first GPU has to go in the upper slot. I'll check the 
>> manual. (The manual is currently downloading from Gigabyte's website 
>> at roughly 1KB/sec, as is typical for motherboard downloads...)
> 
> Hehe, would be quicker just to try it out and see if it boots or not.

Well, maybe. :-P Currently at... ooo, 48%? o_O

> Yeh, why is it that all MB manufacturers have websites with a total 
> bandwidth of 4kb/sec?  And just when you need some simple onboard sound 
> driver quickly, you see it's a 63MB download and it's going to take 3 
> weeks to complete.

Yeah, why the **** is that??? Like, even if the download is 78KB, it's 
the slowest 78KB of your entire life! o_O

> To cover all 4 SATA sockets it must be pretty thick.

Have you *seen* the photograph??

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scott wrote:

> Can't you use the other PCIe slot for the new GPU?

No. You can't.

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:49819695$1@news.povray.org...
> scott wrote:

> I *believe* the first GPU has to go in the upper slot. I'll check the 
> manual. (The manual is currently downloading from Gigabyte's website at 
> roughly 1KB/sec, as is typical for motherboard downloads...)

  Wow, that's weird, I've just tried it myself, and what a weird way to 
download it, all I get is a blank page with download info in the bottom left 
corner. :oO

   ~Steve~

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Ooo, check this out... I didn't see this part... I also get a free copy 
> of FarCry 2! :-D

Don't bother.  That game is the most repetitive POS I've played. 
Crysis, OTOH...

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>> Ooo, check this out... I didn't see this part... I also get a free 
>> copy of FarCry 2! :-D
> 
> Don't bother.  That game is the most repetitive POS I've played. Crysis, 
> OTOH...

...will cost me money, whereas FarCry 2 I already have. ;-) I might as 
well at least see what it's like...

Hmm, although... if it's any harder than FarCry 1, I guess there really 
*is* no point. o_O

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"Kyle" <no### [at] spamok> wrote in message news:4981a9e5$1@news.povray.org...
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Ooo, check this out... I didn't see this part... I also get a free copy 
>> of FarCry 2! :-D
>
> Don't bother.  That game is the most repetitive POS I've played.

  Yeah, I've heard that too, and I was really looking forward to it after 
the original, (which I thought was brilliant for gameplay).

> Crysis, OTOH...

   No doubt about it... :)

     ~Steve~

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>> Crysis, OTOH...
> 
>    No doubt about it... :)

Well, Nemesis seems to pretty strongly doubt it. :-P

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4981ace6$1@news.povray.org...
>>> Crysis, OTOH...
>>
>>    No doubt about it... :)
>
> Well, Nemesis seems to pretty strongly doubt it. :-P

 Well, in a way, he's right about the 'tech demo' side of it, but I woudn't 
go as far as saying that it's bland. The story is quite good, the cutscenes 
are very good, scenery is amazing, (you'll get to see that with your 260 
easy), and gameplay is just great if you love freedom to do what you want 
and how you want. I completed it in about 12 hours and honestly, it's one of 
those games where you'll want to take a break because you'll want to just 
carry on to see what happens next.

  ~Steve~

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Invisible wrote:
>> Crysis, OTOH...
> 
> ...will cost me money, whereas FarCry 2 I already have. ;-) I might as 
> well at least see what it's like...

Sure, check it out since it's *ahem* free.  How much did you pay for 
that video card?

Also, I thought you were going to buy Crysis anyway.

> Hmm, although... if it's any harder than FarCry 1, I guess there really 
> *is* no point. o_O

I don't think it's harder.  Don't expect the same game as FarCry 1, 
though.  It's quite different.  Crysis is much more similar to FarCry 1 
than FarCry 2 is.

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Kyle wrote:

> Sure, check it out since it's *ahem* free.  How much did you pay for 
> that video card?

£200. Because I wanted a big, chunky GPU to run all my insane 
compute-bounded mentalness on? ;-)

> Also, I thought you were going to buy Crysis anyway.

Er, yeah. But probably not "soon"...

> I don't think it's harder.  Don't expect the same game as FarCry 1, 
> though.  It's quite different.  Crysis is much more similar to FarCry 1 
> than FarCry 2 is.

OK then.

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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On 28-Jan-09 22:46, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> 
>> When did it get common to tack a "U" on the end of "Power Supply"? 
>> Nobody calls it a Power Supply Unit. :-)
> 
> Er... I do?
> 
> I've always seen it referred to as PSU. 

Would you pronounce that as P.S.U. and if not would you pronounce the 
the P as in pseudo?

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>> I've always seen it referred to as PSU. 
> 
> Would you pronounce that as P.S.U.

Yes.

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OK, so last night I embarked on an epic HD moving process.

Suffice it to say, I removed the 80GB HD that I don't really use much. I 
took the two remaining HDs and moved them to the bottom of the drive 
rack. There is now space for the giant graphics card to slot into the PC 
without purchasing a larger case.

It sounds like a trivial operation, but it wasn't. I only just have 
enough power connectors, and various cables weren't really long enough, etc.

There is one small problem: the drive I removed was the one with the 
working boot sector on it. I did try plugging the drives into the other 
SATA sockets, but the Windows XP install CD apparently lacks the drivers 
necessary to access the secondary SATA controller, so it couldn't "find" 
the drives in that configuration. (KNOPPIX found them just fine, but not 
Windows XP.)

Actually, it turns out the new graphics card will only block *two* of 
the primary SATA sockets, so I can in fact still plug my drives in in 
the usual way. I have now done this, and Windows XP can "see" them again.

Now *all* I have to do is figure out how to put NTLDR and friends back 
onto the drive using the recovery console and my PC will be usable 
again... o_O

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> Actually, it turns out the new graphics card will only block *two* of 
> the primary SATA sockets, 

Cool.

> Now *all* I have to do is figure out how to put NTLDR and friends back 
> onto the drive using the recovery console and my PC will be usable 
> again... o_O

Then you should be able to try the latest ones from here:

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_nvidia.html

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scott wrote:

>> Now *all* I have to do is figure out how to put NTLDR and friends back 
>> onto the drive using the recovery console and my PC will be usable 
>> again... o_O
> 
> Then you should be able to try the latest ones from here:
> 
> http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_nvidia.html

One time, I actually sat down and tried every demo on nVidia's website. 
(Up until the point where the higher ones wouldn't run, anyway.)

Some of the demos are just rubbish, but a few of them are really awesom. 
Most especially this one:

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_luna_home.html

OK, technologically it's probably not that special. But seriously... 
WOW! o_O This is some SERIOUSLY WEIRD CRAP! How the **** did they come 
up with this stuff?! ._.

Unfortunately, I rapidly discovered that many of the demos will not 
cleanly uninstall afterwards. (!!)

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Invisible wrote:

> Now *all* I have to do is figure out how to put NTLDR and friends back 
> onto the drive using the recovery console and my PC will be usable 
> again... o_O

Under Windows NT, there was a feature where you could boot from the 
install CD, select "repair", and it would scan your HDs, try to find an 
installed copy of Windows NT, and if it found one, attempt to make it 
bootable. (E.g., check the boot sector, add the various executables and 
configuration files required for a successful boot, and even replace 
missing or corrupted DLLs and so on.)

Apparently this feature does not exist in Windows XP. (One presumes it 
was found to be too useful, and its removal allows M$ consultants to 
charge you money to fix your PC for you...)

Anyway, after consulting not less than 7 different KB articles, it 
appears that I can use the Recovery Console to manually copy the two 
boot files from the CD to the HD and semi-automatically rebuild the boot 
configuration menu.

In case anybody wants to know, the procedure appears to be this:

- Start the Recovery Console. (I.e., boot the install CD and press "R" 
when prompted.)

- Type "map" and observe the drive letter for the CD drive.

- Copy NTLDR to the harddrive: copy O:\i386\ntldr C:\

- Copy NTDETECT.COM too: copy O:\i386\ntdetect.com C:\

- Build a new BOOT.INI file: bootcfg /all

- This last command spends a few hours scanning all your HDs looking for 
anything that looks like a Windows installation. It then gives you an 
interactive prompt asking which ones to add to the boot menu.

Hopefully at this point the system should become bootable again. (And if 
not, I'll just reinstall Windows. That should get rid of those old 
nVidia demos that wouldn't uninstall...)

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Invisible wrote:

> Unfortunately, I rapidly discovered that many of the demos will not 
> cleanly uninstall afterwards. (!!)

I just realised... I can't even run them in a VM! They need the GPU. ;-)

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>> Now *all* I have to do is figure out how to put NTLDR and friends back 
>> onto the drive using the recovery console and my PC will be usable 
>> again... o_O

How did you manage to mess that up by simply replacing a graphics card?!?!

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scott wrote:
>>> Now *all* I have to do is figure out how to put NTLDR and friends 
>>> back onto the drive using the recovery console and my PC will be 
>>> usable again... o_O
> 
> How did you manage to mess that up by simply replacing a graphics card?!?!

Read again, carefully: I haven't even changed the graphics card yet. All 
I've actually done is move some hardware around so that there's a big 
enough space to insert the card.

The reason Windoze is upset is because I removed HD 0. (For reasons 
beyond my comprehension, M$ insists that the boot files must always be 
on HD 0, even if the OS itself isn't.) So I need to put the boot files 
onto the drive that has now become HD 0. Unfortunately the documentation 
for this isn't that easy to find, but I believe I know how to fix this now.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> "Powering your XFX graphics card"
> 
> "XFX does not support the use of two 4-pin to one 6-pin power cable 
> converter for these graphics cards."
> 
> So, uh, why did you supply just such a converter IN THE BOX WITH THE 
> CARD???
> 
> Is it just me?! o_O

Seriously - I'm still bemused by this one... :-?

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>> Luckily those are not very expensive.
> 
> Well, that's the main thing, yes. ;-)
> 
> (Otherwise, right now you'd see my sitting in the corner crying.)

...or rather, "300W PSUs are not very expensive". Typically you can buy 
one of those for about £6, or anything upwards.

Unfortunately, I need a minimum of 500W (and the "recommended" is 630W, 
and if you ever go to SLI that becomes 680W). PSUs in that sort of range 
typically go for about £60. (Occasionally you will see *one* model at 
£20 or so, but when you read the spec you discover that it only has 3 
plugs or something daft.)

I'm thinking... if I'm going to actually spend real money on getting a 
bigger PSU, I might as well spent a little bit more on one that can do 
the job *properly*. (I.e., one with enough connectors, and a decent 
Wattage.)

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> ...or rather, "300W PSUs are not very expensive". Typically you can buy 
> one of those for about £6, or anything upwards.
>
> Unfortunately, I need a minimum of 500W (and the "recommended" is 630W, 
> and if you ever go to SLI that becomes 680W). PSUs in that sort of range 
> typically go for about £60.

I'm thinking just buy 2x 300W ones for 12 pounds :-)

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scott wrote:
>> ...or rather, "300W PSUs are not very expensive". Typically you can 
>> buy one of those for about £6, or anything upwards.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I need a minimum of 500W (and the "recommended" is 
>> 630W, and if you ever go to SLI that becomes 680W). PSUs in that sort 
>> of range typically go for about £60.
> 
> I'm thinking just buy 2x 300W ones for 12 pounds :-)

Mmm, yes... One PSU to power my PC, and the second one to power my GPU!! :-D

I'm not really sure how the case arrangements for that work out though.

(Notice that the recommended power is 630W, so 2x300W would still be 
insufficient. However, I think my current PSU might be 400W, so...)

Anyway, it seems that if you want 700W *and* two 6-pin PCIe connectors, 
you're talking about quite a lot of money. But if you settle for 650W, 
you can find it quite a bit cheaper. I'm thinking I might go for this:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151295

It exceeds the recommended Wattage, it has two seperate PCIe connectors, 
and it has enough other connectors to run the rest of my stuff. (It's 
also 80plus certified, which is nice...) Only £40, which isn't as bad as 
the £80+ for something like a modular Thermaltake 800W unit.

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Invisible wrote:
> ...or rather, "300W PSUs are not very expensive". Typically you can buy
 
> one of those for about £6, or anything upwards.

Like everything, the exceptionally cheap ones are crap and will die, ofte
n 
taking out other parts, in a year or so. Spend the extra and get the good
 one.

> (Occasionally you will see *one* model at £20 or so, 

And it'll either be a piece of crap or specialized for a particular produ
ct 
line.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."

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Invisible wrote:
> Hopefully at this point the system should become bootable again. 

You might need to use mbrfix (or is it fixmbr?)

Or use diskpart to make the partition active, I think. It's been a while 
since I tried to fix an XP partition.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."

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>> ...or rather, "300W PSUs are not very expensive". Typically you can 
>> buy one of those for about £6, or anything upwards.
> 
> Like everything, the exceptionally cheap ones are crap and will die, 
> often taking out other parts, in a year or so. Spend the extra and get 
> the good one.

Yeah, if I buy I PSU, I tend to not buy *the* cheapest one. I like to 
buy one that's a little more. Not too much, but just so that it's not 
the £6 model. Maybe £15 or something?

I'm like that with a lot of things though. I tend to avoid *the* 
cheapest one, and go for one a few notches higher up.

OTOH, when looking at something like CPUs, I tend to not go for *the* 
most powerful one, because typically it's 8x the price for 8% more 
performance. ;-)

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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>> Hopefully at this point the system should become bootable again. 
> 
> You might need to use mbrfix (or is it fixmbr?)
> 
> Or use diskpart to make the partition active, I think. It's been a while 
> since I tried to fix an XP partition.

Yes. Actually I already did this from KNOPPIX. Just marking the 
partition as "bootable" seemed to be enough to get me to the "CAN'T FIND 
NTLDR" message. But I found the corresponding commands (it *is* fixmbr 
and fixboot BTW) in the Recovery Console also.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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Invisible wrote:

> - Build a new BOOT.INI file: bootcfg /all
> 
> - This last command spends a few hours scanning all your HDs looking for 
> anything that looks like a Windows installation. It then gives you an 
> interactive prompt asking which ones to add to the boot menu.

Actually, that's "bootcfg /add" or /rebuild.

And, for whatever reason, it doesn't work. After a while it crashes out 
with an error message about an unreadable filesystem or something.

Interestingly, it seems that placing NTLDR and NTDETECT.COM onto the 
drive is sufficient to make it boot. When you boot the system, it says 
"INVALID BOOT.INI; BOOTING FROM C:\WINDOWS". I'm guessing this only 
works for certain cases. Since by Windows installation is your standard 
"the OS is in the standard place on the first HD", it Just Works(tm).

Weirdly, once Windows has loaded there is apparently no way to recreate 
a correct BOOT.INI file. However, cut-and-pasting the example one from 
M$'s website seems to have fixed things nicely.

Wee, my PC works again! :-D

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Yes. Actually I already did this from KNOPPIX. Just marking the 
> partition as "bootable" seemed to be enough to get me to the "CAN'T FIND 
> NTLDR" message. But I found the corresponding commands (it *is* fixmbr 
> and fixboot BTW) in the Recovery Console also.

OK. If you got that far, all you need to do is copy boot.ini, ntldr, and the 
ohter one whose name I forget offhand, and you should be good. (I'm not 100% 
sure you need boot.ini if you put windows in the obvious place, either.)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."

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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Yes. Actually I already did this from KNOPPIX. Just marking the 
>> partition as "bootable" seemed to be enough to get me to the "CAN'T 
>> FIND NTLDR" message. But I found the corresponding commands (it *is* 
>> fixmbr and fixboot BTW) in the Recovery Console also.
> 
> OK. If you got that far, all you need to do is copy boot.ini, ntldr, and 
> the ohter one whose name I forget offhand, and you should be good. (I'm 
> not 100% sure you need boot.ini if you put windows in the obvious place, 
> either.)

NTLDR and NTDETECT.COM - and no, you apparently don't need BOOT.INI (see 
my other post). And there's nowhere to "copy" BOOT.INI from. ;-)

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> And there's nowhere to "copy" BOOT.INI from. ;-)

Well, you could copy it onto a floppy and then from there onto the hard 
drive, assuming it was the same. And you can "copy con boot.ini" I believe.

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Muhuhuhu! The new bigger, badder PSU is here! 8-D

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Muhuhuhu! The new bigger, badder PSU is here! 8-D

The PSU is now installed. Now I'm going to download the drivers for the 
new card, uninstall the drivers for the old card, and fit The Daddy... :-D

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> The PSU is now installed. Now I'm going to download the drivers for the 
> new card, uninstall the drivers for the old card, and fit The Daddy... :-D

Jesus Christ, the video driver is 110 MB?? o_O

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Ooo, check this out... I didn't see this part... I also get a free copy 
> of FarCry 2! :-D
> 
> And "3DMark Vantage Advanced Edition" for free.

And 3DMark Vantage *only* works with Windows Vista. Oh well...

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> And 3DMark Vantage *only* works with Windows Vista. Oh well...

Don't worry about it. It isn't impressive.

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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> And 3DMark Vantage *only* works with Windows Vista. Oh well...
> 
> Don't worry about it. It isn't impressive.

Heh. Oh well. It's just that I've never been able to run 3DMark 
properly. (I always have the free version that's crippled so you can't 
run half the tests or adjust any settings.) And now I've got a real 
geniune license code to run the full product, except... but for this 
version of Windows.

I guess they assume that if you just paid £200 for a card with DirectX 
10 support, you'd also want to run it under an OS that supports DirectX 10.

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The new GPU is up and running. :-D

And... oh my *god*... it's so quiet!!

My PC just got about 5x quieter than it was before. o_O

(Although I notice it gradually gets louder than I ask it to do 
something 3D.)

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