Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:47:50 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> >
> >> Jim Henderson wrote:
> >>> Perhaps, but it's a technique used in medical circles as well.
> >> Not quite.
> >>
> >>> Immunotherapy is based on the same basic principle:  You inject someone
> >>> with small doses of what they're allergic to,
> >> Different principle. In homeopathy, you inject people with small doses
> >> of distilled water that at one time was near some molecules of what you
> >> were allergic to, and the ghosts of those molecules stimulate you to do
> >> your thing.

Without going into detail, my understanding is that homeopathy has empirical
(observed, experiential, pragmatic) impact on the body. But your explanation
really paints a clearer picture of the reality. Fascinating.


> >
> > Basically it's a similar principle, though.
>
> Except for the part about ghosts.
>
> Faith healing and antibiotics are the same thing too, except for the part
> about the germ theory of disease. :-)
>
> --
>    Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
>    "Ouch ouch ouch!"
>    "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
>    "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."

WOW and in spite of Kyle's attempt to squash the conversation an interesting
point of view as been presented stemming from Sam's excellent redirection, that
Kyle TRIED (and apparently was successful) to stifle by degrading and cutting
down others. Too bad Sam is not here to discuss this now, because he always has
the most brilliant words and valid information.

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alphaQuad wrote:
> Without going into detail, my understanding is that homeopathy has empirical
> (observed, experiential, pragmatic) impact on the body.

So do sugar pills. :-)

This guy, "Gary Null", seems to think there are a lot of "meta-studies" 
showing it works.
http://www.garynull.com/documents/articlesfromorgs/homeopathy_scientific_research.htm
I think it's likely that in the cases where it works, it's due to placebo 
effect or (most likely) selective reporting.

To be fair, there was one actual scientist who actually tried a homeopathic 
remedy on ameobas or something, and had it have statistically-significant 
effects, and asked for someone else to try to replicate it. Since I've been 
hearing this for years and never heard of any follow-up, I assume nobody 
could replicate it. (Maybe it's the one referenced in the "In Vitro Studies" 
I'm thinking of, in the next link below.)

Some interesting history: 
http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/Medicine/Homeop.html


Hmmm. Apparently there has been a fair amount of positive results on the 
research, tho. It's still rather strange tho. Smaller doses give better 
responses with a lot of drugs, but that doesn't mean no dose works best.

Then you read stuff like this
http://purehealthsystems.com/homeopathic-science.html
and he talks about "messages" being transfered as "signatures" from actual 
medicine into distilled water.  I.e., the very contact of the drug with 
water means all the water in the jar takes on the attributes of the drug.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:54:18 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:47:50 -0800, Darren New wrote:
>> 
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> Perhaps, but it's a technique used in medical circles as well.
>>> Not quite.
>>>
>>>> Immunotherapy is based on the same basic principle:  You inject
>>>> someone with small doses of what they're allergic to,
>>> Different principle. In homeopathy, you inject people with small doses
>>> of distilled water that at one time was near some molecules of what
>>> you were allergic to, and the ghosts of those molecules stimulate you
>>> to do your thing.
>> 
>> Basically it's a similar principle, though.
> 
> Except for the part about ghosts.

Well, yeah, except for that.

> Faith healing and antibiotics are the same thing too, except for the
> part about the germ theory of disease. :-)

LOL

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Kyle <no### [at] spamok> wrote:



>
> BTW, expect no further responses from me, as I will ignore your posts.
> I may perhaps continue to point out your continued trolling to others
> when they reply to your ridiculously off-topic posts.

Yah you better run. I'll will continue to tell thruth about you. You are the
troll interupting a perfectly legit conversation.

> You're welcome to search these newsgroups and other websites for
> pictures I've posted.

I do not accept any welcome from you without and apology and an admission of
were you went wrong in disrespecting other people.

A Troll as call me does exactly what you did, interrupt the conversations of
others with degrading and derogatory remarks, the mirror still awaits you.

If I were to ask you if it makes you feel superior to attack and cut down

emotion to make me do otherwise."




You have superiority complex that needs feeding that is why you are so lame.
Your superiority complex is too big for you to handle or you would apologize.
Handle it or I will with the truth about you. And THAT, my dear lame friend, is
why you run now.

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Darren New wrote:

> 
> And what do they do with the 9.99999L of solution they didn't keep? They 
> pour it down the drain! Where it gets diluted by the ocean!  So, really, 
> take a trip to the beach. It'll cure anything.
> 

If I believe strongly enough maybe the placebo effect will work quite 
well, then.

-- 
~Mike

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alphaQuad wrote:

> ... snip paranoid raving ...

I believe Kyle has been here much longer than you. Like many others on 
this server he's just sick and tired of you.

-- 
~Mike

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