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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> [I do have something of a fascination with them though. Still, it's not
> something you can learn easily. They are rare instruments. And they're
> LOUD!]
You should have been rooming in the house I stayed in during grad
school. The guy leasing it (who sub-leased a room to me) didn't know how
to play pipe organs, but he had an entire pipe organ in pieces all over
the house, occupying entire rooms sometimes, waiting (for a couple
decades) for the owner of the house to give him permission to knock down
a wall so he could build the pipe organ.
A bit of a nut-case he was. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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47fd1bed$1@news.povray.org...
> My copy of Kontact comes with three organ sounds. These are labelled as
> "Voix Humaine 8'", "Pos-Scharff", and my personal favourit, "Fonds +
> Quint". Does any of that mean *anything* to anybody here?
>
A pipe organ is a kind of 2 dimensions array.
Collumns are notes played by the hands and feet keyboards
Rows are various stops allowing air to reach different sets of pipes.
Pipes are 2 kinds :
Flute pipes (made of wood or tin) that work like recorders but playing a
single note by pipe. Their pitch depends on their length and the
open/closedness of their top end.
In reeds, the sound is generated by a beating reed like a clarinet. Their
pitch is related to the length and mass of the reed, the pipe works mainly
on the colour of the sound.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_organ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_humana
Fonds are a mixed set of flute pipes, Fonds+Quinte are the same with a 5th
added to simulate odd harmonics.
Scharff is a German style mixture of high pitch pipes (mostly octaves and
5ths added to normal 8' pipes).
> I'm trying to play organ music, but obviously I know nothing about organs!
> ;-) Oh yeah, and the digital instrument has only 5 octive range. I guess
> they couldn't be bothered to record the rest or something. Has some
> *serious* reverb too - presumably from the hall where they recorded it.
> It's actually hard to play in time due to the lag between hitting a key
> and the note sounding at full volume... the reverberations are confusing
> my timing! :-S
Are you sure the reverb is sampled and not added afterwards? haven't you any
control on it?
If they recorded the reverb as well this is a bad idea.
Usually the organ player is sitting at the console relatively close to the
pipe set and has very short delay unless there is a remote mobile console as
in St Eustache in Paris where the organist can play (with some training to
anticipate the lag) among an orchestra.
Marc
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47fd202a$1@news.povray.org...
> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:41:41 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
>> My copy of Kontact comes with three organ sounds. These are labelled as
>> "Voix Humaine 8'", "Pos-Scharff", and my personal favourit, "Fonds +
>> Quint". Does any of that mean *anything* to anybody here?
>
> I *think* those descriptions are Gaelic; I can't find my dictionary,
> though, to check. I know someone who speaks a dialect of Gaelic, though,
> so he might be able to help translate.
>
> Jim
Don't look for your dictionary :-)
these are French and German names
Marc
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47fd2c7a$1@news.povray.org...
>> This is actually pretty normal with pipe organs.
not when you are the player
>
> I've never had the opportunity to play one - as you can probably
> imagine...
I didn't either (my father does weekly though) but I had the opportunity to
record a handfull of them
>
> [I do have something of a fascination with them though. Still, it's not
> something you can learn easily. They are rare instruments. And they're
> LOUD!]
Strangely they are not so loud unless you unleash the whole set of pipes.
They give a powerful impression because of the richness of the harmonics
combination and the reverberation of the hall/church but the level barely
reaches 100dB. I had to record together an organ and a bombard (kind of
Breton traditionnal oboe) played by a single (good) player with his own
lungs and the organ was sometimes overwhelmed by the bombard.
Marc
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> Don't look for your dictionary :-)
> these are French and German names
Damn. And I thought all musical terms were Italian...
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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> A pipe organ is a kind of 2 dimensions array.
> Collumns are notes played by the hands and feet keyboards
> Rows are various stops allowing air to reach different sets of pipes.
> Pipes are 2 kinds :
> Flute pipes (made of wood or tin) that work like recorders but playing a
> single note by pipe. Their pitch depends on their length and the
> open/closedness of their top end.
> In reeds, the sound is generated by a beating reed like a clarinet. Their
> pitch is related to the length and mass of the reed, the pipe works mainly
> on the colour of the sound.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_organ
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_humana
>
> Fonds are a mixed set of flute pipes, Fonds+Quinte are the same with a 5th
> added to simulate odd harmonics.
> Scharff is a German style mixture of high pitch pipes (mostly octaves and
> 5ths added to normal 8' pipes).
Heh. I knew somebody here would know...
So when you play organ music, how do you know which stops to use? Is it
written on the score, or do you just take a playing guess?
> Are you sure the reverb is sampled and not added afterwards? haven't you any
> control on it?
It appears to be the natural reverberation of whatever building this
particular organ is situated in.
> If they recorded the reverb as well this is a bad idea.
Probably. It does give the thing a fairly rich sound though... [while
also making it kinda tricky to play a good toccata or fugue.]
--
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>> [I do have something of a fascination with them though. Still, it's not
>> something you can learn easily. They are rare instruments. And they're
>> LOUD!]
>
> Strangely they are not so loud unless you unleash the whole set of pipes.
> They give a powerful impression because of the richness of the harmonics
> combination and the reverberation of the hall/church but the level barely
> reaches 100dB. I had to record together an organ and a bombard (kind of
> Breton traditionnal oboe) played by a single (good) player with his own
> lungs and the organ was sometimes overwhelmed by the bombard.
I recently visited the Royal Albert Hall. It's a large arena with a
giant organ growing out of the back of it. They played some orchestral
music where every now and then the organ would join in.
Several times, I felt like just walking over to the orchestra and saying
"Hey guys, I'm sure you've practiced this endlessly, but seriously... Go
home. There's a 4-tonne pipe organ behind you. I'm sure what you think
you're playing sounds wonderful. But seriously. We. Can't. Hear. You.
Hell, I can't here *myself* right now! And my mum's handbag has so far
migrated about six feet across the floor due to the intense seismic
vibrations! Go home. You're wasting your time..."
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:18:11 +0200, M_a_r_c wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospam com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 47fd202a$1@news.povray.org...
>> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:41:41 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>
>>> My copy of Kontact comes with three organ sounds. These are labelled
>>> as "Voix Humaine 8'", "Pos-Scharff", and my personal favourit, "Fonds
>>> + Quint". Does any of that mean *anything* to anybody here?
>>
>> I *think* those descriptions are Gaelic; I can't find my dictionary,
>> though, to check. I know someone who speaks a dialect of Gaelic,
>> though, so he might be able to help translate.
>>
>> Jim
> Don't look for your dictionary :-)
> these are French and German names
I saw that a bit later, actually they did seem very dissimilar from the
Gaelic I had seen before, clearly the sample was too small for an
automated language identification to be made. :-)
Jim
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:16:36 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>> Don't look for your dictionary :-)
>> these are French and German names
>
> Damn. And I thought all musical terms were Italian...
Musical terms are (in general), but musical instruments aren't.
Jim
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47feb313$1@news.povray.org...
>>
> I saw that a bit later, actually they did seem very dissimilar from the
> Gaelic I had seen before, clearly the sample was too small for an
> automated language identification to be made. :-)
>
> Jim
I'm interested in what made you think of Gaelic
The closest connection between Gaelic and organs I can see is the Irish
uilleann pipes with its bellow, drones and regulators.
Marc
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