Hi all,

Yeah, I've reported that problem to Mac.

I will tray the Unix version.

Thanks,
Oleguer



news:442c2b6b$1@news.povray.org...
> John Kuehne wrote:
>> Perhaps Rosetta is crashing. I too cannot run POV-Ray on an Intel Mac. 
>> This
>> is really a shame, because we are using POV-Ray for depicting the results
>> of scientific research (in particular, the perception of motion). Waiting
>> until sometime in 2007 for an official version that runs - forget the
>> optimizations - isn't an option for us. And I'm not going to abandon the
>> Intel Mac . . .
>
> If the PowerPC emulator is crashing, that is *Apple's* problem, not 
> POV-Ray's. Report problems with crashes to Apple. POV-Ray is a perfectly 
> working and cleanly written PowerPC application, and it does run on every 
> real PowerPC processor. on the other hand, the emulator Apple supplies is 
> known to have problems, and they won't get fixed unless Apple is told they 
> exist.
>
> Report it to Apple, or nothing will change. Unlike with the much better 
> planned 68K to PowerPC transition, Apple has neglected to develop a 
> working debugger for the PowerPC emulation environment called "Rosetta" 
> and instead rushed out unstable systems to end users. Even today there is 
> no reasonable way to debug within Rosetta, except using a barely working 
> hack documented by Apple to use an unreliable low-level command-line-based 
> debugger.
>
> BTW, effectively the poor development environments available, and the 
> rushed transition is also the reason why major software vendors (i.e. 
> Adobe) have been unable to deliver native software yet. there is just no 
> way to properly develop and test on the x86 PCs sold by Apple yet.
>
> As for POV-Ray, do not expect a native version earlier than 2008 or as 
> part of POV-Ray 4.0, whichever comes first. In the meantime, you can 
> always compile and run the Unix version natively on Mac OS X.
>
> Thorsten, POV-Team

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How can I install the Linux software in the Mac?

Thanks in advance,
Oleguer


"Oleguer Vilella" <ole### [at] infonegociocom> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Yeah, I've reported that problem to Mac.
>
> I will tray the Unix version.
>
> Thanks,
> Oleguer
>
>

> news:442c2b6b$1@news.povray.org...
> > John Kuehne wrote:
> >> Perhaps Rosetta is crashing. I too cannot run POV-Ray on an Intel Mac.
> >> This
> >> is really a shame, because we are using POV-Ray for depicting the results
> >> of scientific research (in particular, the perception of motion). Waiting
> >> until sometime in 2007 for an official version that runs - forget the
> >> optimizations - isn't an option for us. And I'm not going to abandon the
> >> Intel Mac . . .
> >
> > If the PowerPC emulator is crashing, that is *Apple's* problem, not
> > POV-Ray's. Report problems with crashes to Apple. POV-Ray is a perfectly
> > working and cleanly written PowerPC application, and it does run on every
> > real PowerPC processor. on the other hand, the emulator Apple supplies is
> > known to have problems, and they won't get fixed unless Apple is told they
> > exist.
> >
> > Report it to Apple, or nothing will change. Unlike with the much better
> > planned 68K to PowerPC transition, Apple has neglected to develop a
> > working debugger for the PowerPC emulation environment called "Rosetta"
> > and instead rushed out unstable systems to end users. Even today there is
> > no reasonable way to debug within Rosetta, except using a barely working
> > hack documented by Apple to use an unreliable low-level command-line-based
> > debugger.
> >
> > BTW, effectively the poor development environments available, and the
> > rushed transition is also the reason why major software vendors (i.e.
> > Adobe) have been unable to deliver native software yet. there is just no
> > way to properly develop and test on the x86 PCs sold by Apple yet.
> >
> > As for POV-Ray, do not expect a native version earlier than 2008 or as
> > part of POV-Ray 4.0, whichever comes first. In the meantime, you can
> > always compile and run the Unix version natively on Mac OS X.
> >
> > Thorsten, POV-Team

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Oleguer wrote:
> How can I install the Linux software in the Mac?

If you don't know how to do this, and your question suggests you don't, I 
cannot recommend you try.

	Thorsten

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So, I won't be able to use Pov-Ray on that Mac?



Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> Oleguer wrote:
>> How can I install the Linux software in the Mac?
>
> If you don't know how to do this, and your question suggests you don't, I
> cannot recommend you try.
>
>     Thorsten

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Oleguer wrote:
> How can I install the Linux software in the Mac?

Download 
<ftp://ftp.povray.org/pub/povray/Official/Unix/povray-3.6.tar.bz2>, read 
the README in it, and judge for yourself whether you're comfortable with 
doing the kind of things it tells you to. I haven't done this in a 
while, so I don't know how well it works.

Alternatively, if POV-Ray really doesn't run in Rosetta, I suppose it's 
only a matter of time until someone provides a binary distribution of 
the command-line version. Maybe I'll try, but even if I succeed in 
compiling an universal version, I won't be able test the x86 half as I 
don't have an x86 Mac yet.

You could also try MegaPOV (http://users.skynet.be/smellenbergh/). As 
far as I know there's no universal version yet, but maybe it runs in 
Rosetta.

  -Christian

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Hi Christian,

Ok, thank you very much for your information I will read that files.

Regards,
Oleguer



news:442ce5a0@news.povray.org...
> Oleguer wrote:
>> How can I install the Linux software in the Mac?
>
> Download 
> <ftp://ftp.povray.org/pub/povray/Official/Unix/povray-3.6.tar.bz2>, read 
> the README in it, and judge for yourself whether you're comfortable with 
> doing the kind of things it tells you to. I haven't done this in a while, 
> so I don't know how well it works.
>
> Alternatively, if POV-Ray really doesn't run in Rosetta, I suppose it's 
> only a matter of time until someone provides a binary distribution of the 
> command-line version. Maybe I'll try, but even if I succeed in compiling 
> an universal version, I won't be able test the x86 half as I don't have an 
> x86 Mac yet.
>
> You could also try MegaPOV (http://users.skynet.be/smellenbergh/). As far 
> as I know there's no universal version yet, but maybe it runs in Rosetta.
>
>  -Christian

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What could happen if I do something wrong? I've got Linux Red Hat 9 on the
other computer and I've done that installation there some time ago, but if I
tray it on the Mac and I do something wrong what could happen here?

I've reported the problem to the Mac support, I don't know if they will read
it.

Regards,
Oleguer


Oleguer Vilella wrote:
> Hi Christian,
>
> Ok, thank you very much for your information I will read that files.
>
> Regards,
> Oleguer
>
>
> "Christian Walther" <cwa### [at] gmxch> escribió en el mensaje
> news:442ce5a0@news.povray.org...
>> Oleguer wrote:
>>> How can I install the Linux software in the Mac?
>>
>> Download
>> <ftp://ftp.povray.org/pub/povray/Official/Unix/povray-3.6.tar.bz2>, read
>> the README in it, and judge for yourself whether you're comfortable with
>> doing the kind of things it tells you to. I haven't done this in a while,
>> so I don't know how well it works.
>>
>> Alternatively, if POV-Ray really doesn't run in Rosetta, I suppose it's
>> only a matter of time until someone provides a binary distribution of the
>> command-line version. Maybe I'll try, but even if I succeed in compiling
>> an universal version, I won't be able test the x86 half as I don't have an
>> x86 Mac yet.
>>
>> You could also try MegaPOV (http://users.skynet.be/smellenbergh/). As far
>> as I know there's no universal version yet, but maybe it runs in Rosetta.
>>
>>  -Christian
>
>

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"Oleguer" <ole### [at] infonegociocom> wrote:
> Hi,
>

> following:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> It closes the program. Any solutions?
>
> Thanks,
> Oleguer

I have the same problem on my iMac Core Duo. POV 3.6 launches, but then
quits immediately

MagMegaPOV does run OK, but slowly, under Rosetta, I guess, not much if any
faster than on my old 350Mhz Yosemite machine.

RT

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Oleguer Vilella wrote:
> What could happen if I do something wrong? I've got Linux Red Hat 9 on the
> other computer and I've done that installation there some time ago, but if I
> tray it on the Mac and I do something wrong what could happen here?

You do NOT need to install LINUX. You need to get the POV-Ray UNIX source 
code archive and just need to compile it. But as said before, if you don't 
know that, or how to do that, you likely cause more damage to your system 
than anything else. Thus, for your own good, don't try it unless you know 
what you are doing.

	Thorsten

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Russell Towle wrote:
> I have the same problem on my iMac Core Duo. POV 3.6 launches, but then
> quits immediately

There are been other, more successful reports, i.e.:

Subject: Re: Intel Core Build?
Newsgroups: povray.macintosh
From: "Windell H. Oskay" <windell(at)oskay.net>
Date: Wed,  1 Mar 2006 18:55:32 EST
Message-ID: <web.440634223d8b8e8959113f40@news.povray.org>
Xref: news.povray.org povray.macintosh:1546

	Thorsten

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