On 3/22/21 7:22 AM, William F Pokorny wrote:
> On 3/21/21 5:04 AM, Chris Cason wrote:
>> Current status: www.povray.org is now back in read-write mode with the 
>> database hooked back in.
>>
> ...
> 
> Do I need to login to get at the forums / news.povray.org/groups from 
> the web page? This link just hangs for me currently.
> 

Read only access worked just now for me - please ignore my question.

Bill P.

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On 22.03.2021 18:05, Cousin Ricky wrote:
 > One thing that was wonky for a long time but seems to be fixed now is
 > that when non-ASCII characters were entered through a newsreader, they
 > were incorrectly converted in the Web view.  They look fine now.

The PHP version was very old. The newer ones fixed lotts of PHP bugs.

 > The Web view also added an extra space if text was indented in the
 > newsreader.  This is still happening.
Extra space? Where?

Thorsten

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On 3/23/21 4:27 AM, Thorsten wrote:
> On 22.03.2021 18:05, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>  > One thing that was wonky for a long time but seems to be fixed now is
>  > that when non-ASCII characters were entered through a newsreader, they

> 
> The PHP version was very old. The newer ones fixed lotts of PHP bugs.
> 
>  > The Web view also added an extra space if text was indented in the

> Extra space? Where?
> 
> Thorsten

ah ok... you posting here reminded me of one other item i needed to look 
at is the multilink extension you implemented. i see 6 files in the 
tarball that chris made available. i don't see /any/ mysql calls that 
need to be converted to mysqli... appears you're doing it differently. 
want me to email you an archive of those files so you can 
review/bless/decide /not/ to implement your code.

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On 3/22/21 11:54 AM, Chris Cason wrote:
> Current status: the webview of the newsgroups is back up again, though 
> in read-only mode for now (and not taking a feed from the NNTP server yet).
> 
> There were a LOT of changes needed to the code to make it work with PHP7 
> so some breakage or strange behavior can be expected. If anything looks 
> particularly wonky please let me know.
> 
> -- Chris

wiki status update: i've found only 21 occurrence (in two files) of 
mysql->mysqli that needed to be converted. i've also been able to pull a 
file i created from the database, but have /not/ done an import. i'd 
like to resist doing that for now unless it's absolutely necessary. i'm 
feeling 99% ready to get at a live wiki so i can finish testing 
wikikdocgen

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On 2021-03-21 4:27 AM (-4), Thorsten wrote:
> On 22.03.2021 18:05, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> 
>  > The Web view also added an extra space if text was indented in the

> Extra space? Where?

https://news.povray.org/60467377%241%40news.povray.org

My first indent in the code excerpt is two spaces, but the Web view 
shows three spaces.  A 4 space indent shows as 5, etc.

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On 23.03.2021 13:28, Ash Holsenback wrote:
> ah ok... you posting here reminded me of one other item i needed to look 
> at is the multilink extension you implemented. i see 6 files in the 
> tarball that chris made available. i don't see /any/ mysql calls that 
> need to be converted to mysqli... appears you're doing it differently. 
> want me to email you an archive of those files so you can 
> review/bless/decide /not/ to implement your code.

Does it even still work? It was very fragile depending on MediaWiki 
version...

Thorsten

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On 23.03.2021 14:11, Cousin Ricky wrote:
 > On 2021-03-21 4:27 AM (-4), Thorsten wrote:
 >> On 22.03.2021 18:05, Cousin Ricky wrote:
 >>
 >>  > The Web view also added an extra space if text was indented in the
 >>  > newsreader.  This is still happening.
 >> Extra space? Where?
 >
 > https://news.povray.org/60467377%241%40news.povray.org
 >
 > My first indent in the code excerpt is two spaces, but the Web view
 > shows three spaces.  A 4 space indent shows as 5, etc.

Indeed, I can confirm this. I will see what is going on.

Thorsten

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On 23.03.2021 14:33, Thorsten wrote:
> On 23.03.2021 14:11, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>  > On 2021-03-21 4:27 AM (-4), Thorsten wrote:
>  >> On 22.03.2021 18:05, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>  >>


>  >> Extra space? Where?
>  >
>  > https://news.povray.org/60467377%241%40news.povray.org
>  >
>  > My first indent in the code excerpt is two spaces, but the Web view

> 
> Indeed, I can confirm this. I will see what is going on.

Ok, so it turns out there are really three spaces in the message. The 
reason is, well, Thunderbird. You can see it in Thunderbird using 
More->View Source. It implements an email extension on a new server. The 
extension is called "format=flowed" and it is known to cause problems 
when transmitting source code over email (and thus news messages as 
well: 
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/email-clients.html#email-clients

Just google "format=flowed thunderbird" (without quotes). You will find 
plenty of complaints about it ...

Thunderbird (which I am also using) apparently has bugs with handling 
soft and hand line breaks and the correct conversion process to a final 
message format. It basically inserts the spaces even for hard line 
breaks, which makes exactly no sense at all when posting source code 
(which it cannot know, of course). It is only by chance that it then 
doesn't soft wrap your code when displaying the message...

Sorry,
Thorsten

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On 3/23/21 9:28 AM, Thorsten wrote:
> On 23.03.2021 13:28, Ash Holsenback wrote:
>> ah ok... you posting here reminded me of one other item i needed to 
>> look at is the multilink extension you implemented. i see 6 files in 
>> the tarball that chris made available. i don't see /any/ mysql calls 
>> that need to be converted to mysqli... appears you're doing it 
>> differently. want me to email you an archive of those files so you can 
>> review/bless/decide /not/ to implement your code.
> 
> Does it even still work? It was very fragile depending on MediaWiki 
> version...
> 
> Thorsten

yes it was working before the crash... however a /big/ performance hit 
when editing/saving the reserved keywords page (it's loaded with 
multi-links). having said that... i'm in favor of backing this extension 
out. not sure what the busted link fallout will be. i'm hoping isolated 
because i've /not/ been using the format. lol... remember i was /not/ 
pleased with the implementation, because at the release (last minute) i 
had to find a way to deal with those links. i think i /might/ be able to 
coax wikidocgen to help find them because i already have a case test in 
the code.

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On 2021-03-23 9:55 AM (-4), Thorsten wrote:
> On 23.03.2021 14:33, Thorsten wrote:
>> On 23.03.2021 14:11, Cousin Ricky wrote:











>>
>> Indeed, I can confirm this. I will see what is going on.
> 
> Ok, so it turns out there are really three spaces in the message. The
> reason is, well, Thunderbird. You can see it in Thunderbird using
> More->View Source. It implements an email extension on a new server. The
> extension is called "format=flowed" and it is known to cause problems
> when transmitting source code over email (and thus news messages as
> well:
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/email-clients.html#email-clients
> 
> 
> Just google "format=flowed thunderbird" (without quotes). You will find
> plenty of complaints about it ...
> 
> Thunderbird (which I am also using) apparently has bugs with handling
> soft and hand line breaks and the correct conversion process to a final
> message format. It basically inserts the spaces even for hard line
> breaks, which makes exactly no sense at all when posting source code
> (which it cannot know, of course). It is only by chance that it then
> doesn't soft wrap your code when displaying the message...

OK, thanks.  I just turned it off on my end.  I'll see how that works
out in the future.

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