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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: moss
Date: 15 May 2013 08:15:25
Message: <51937c5d$1@news.povray.org>
>Sean Day  on date 15/05/2013 11.27 wrote:

> Hi Norbert,
>
> Thanks, I think it looks OK close up but just does not look as much like
> moss and more like some kind of alien plant life which reminds me a bit
> of some of Christoph Gerber's images e.g.
>
> http://gerberc.deviantart.com/art/Moon-21-336009591
>
> I did some really close up renders of the moss (probably had a different
> texture as well). I think they are interesting but I would not guess it
> was moss at this level of detail..
>
> BTW, your first attempt at this round of the tc-rtc looks very impressive.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
Norbert work is impressive, but this is impressive too.
Paolo


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: moss
Date: 15 May 2013 17:49:13
Message: <519402d9@news.povray.org>

> Norbert Kern wrote:
>> Sean Day <s.d### [at] uelacuk> wrote:
>>
>>> The moss will not hold up too well to a real close up, something I would
>>> like to improve as well..
>>
>> The first I did was to render a 8000 pixel closeup of yor excellent
>> source (no
>> rad, focal blur, but double_illuminate) - and I'm more than impressed.
>> Last time I got this feeling was with some JVP or Sam Benge images.
>> At once I got 5 ideas to enhance own images - so thank you very much
>> for the
>> source...
>>
>> For me the close_up detail level is extremely good compared to existant
>> alternatives - including your own oldroyal moss (which I liked much).
>>
>> But please improve your moss further, if you want to...
>>
>>
>> Norbert Kern
>>
>>
>
> Hi Norbert,
>
> Thanks, I think it looks OK close up but just does not look as much like
> moss and more like some kind of alien plant life which reminds me a bit
> of some of Christoph Gerber's images e.g.
>
> http://gerberc.deviantart.com/art/Moon-21-336009591
>
> I did some really close up renders of the moss (probably had a different
> texture as well). I think they are interesting but I would not guess it
> was moss at this level of detail..
>
> BTW, your first attempt at this round of the tc-rtc looks very impressive.
>
> Sean
>
>
>

For someone who have seen some moss images taken at scales where you are 
no longer sure if it's still macrophotographies or should be called 
microphotographies, that moss looks realy convincing.
Yes, moss do tend to look other wordly when looked at from /very/ 
close... The same hold true for molds.


Alain


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: moss
Date: 23 May 2013 17:57:03
Message: <519e90af$1@news.povray.org>
Another that might make an interesting "Elements of Geology" tc-rtc entry.
There are so many elements in dead rock that are absolutely necessary for
life.

 -Shay

"s.day" <s.d### [at] uelacuk> wrote in message 
news:web.518fbb4a669d766c3449e5060@news.povray.org...
> I finally found time to render an old scene I had given up on due to the 
> long
> render times. Even with 3.7 and 4 cores it took a couple of days to 
> render. I
> think I went a bit o.t.t. on the focal blur though.
>
> Sean
>


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From: s day
Subject: Re: moss
Date: 24 May 2013 05:30:01
Message: <web.519f32018856ea2f3449e5060@news.povray.org>
"Shay" <non### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> Another that might make an interesting "Elements of Geology" tc-rtc entry.
> There are so many elements in dead rock that are absolutely necessary for
> life.
>
>  -Shay

That thought had occurred to me, especially as when moss grows on rock it eats
away at the rock therefore adjusting the geology in it's own minor way..

However, I did start working on this image about 5 years ago so way before the
tc-rtc round was announced ;-)

I am working on another image and if it turns out as intended will enter this
into the tc-rtc. Not going so well at the moment though so I will probably end
up submitting this one.

Sean


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: moss
Date: 24 May 2013 05:46:32
Message: <519f36f8$1@news.povray.org>
"s.day" <s.d### [at] uelacuk> wrote in message 
news:web.519f32018856ea2f3449e5060@news.povray.org...
> "Shay" <non### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>> Another that might make an interesting "Elements of Geology" tc-rtc 
>> entry.
>> There are so many elements in dead rock that are absolutely necessary for
>> life.

> However, I did start working on this image about 5 years ago so way before 
> the
> tc-rtc round was announced ;-)



In some sense, I started working on every POV image sometime in the late 
90s. A scene refresh is much less a sin that using "absolutely necessary".

 -Shay


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: moss
Date: 24 May 2013 07:06:10
Message: <519f49a2@news.povray.org>
On 24/05/2013 10:25 AM, s.day wrote:
> However, I did start working on this image about 5 years ago so way before the
> tc-rtc round was announced;-)

Some people are just slow workers. :-P

There is nothing in the rules that say the entry must be a new image. I 
suspect that most people reuse code or parts of old scenes.

Although I suspect that my 2011 entry for the Dinosaurs Challenge, even 
though it fits this round, will not be used again. ;-)

-- 
Regards
     Stephen


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From: waggy
Subject: Re: moss
Date: 24 May 2013 17:35:01
Message: <web.519fdce58856ea2f21be1230@news.povray.org>
"s.day" wrote:
> That thought had occurred to me, especially as when moss grows on rock it eats
> away at the rock therefore adjusting the geology in it's own minor way..

The action of moss, and lichen mentioned elsewhere in this thread, is not minor
over geologic time. It is a major element of "weathering", which also includes
wind and water action.


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: moss
Date: 24 May 2013 20:38:41
Message: <51a00811@news.povray.org>
"waggy" <hon### [at] handbasketorg> wrote in message 
news:web.519fdce58856ea2f21be1230@news.povray.org...
> "s.day" wrote:
>> That thought had occurred to me, especially as when moss grows on rock it 
>> eats
>> away at the rock therefore adjusting the geology in it's own minor way..
>
> The action of moss, and lichen mentioned elsewhere in this thread, is not 
> minor
> over geologic time. It is a major element of "weathering", which also 
> includes
> wind and water action.
>

Tiny plants contribute to erosion and large plants inhibit it. Would be an 
interesting theme if someone could figure out a way to convey it.

 -Shay


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: moss
Date: 25 May 2013 03:02:37
Message: <51a0620d$1@news.povray.org>
On 25-5-2013 2:38, Shay wrote:
> Tiny plants contribute to erosion and large plants inhibit it.

Up to a point for the latter. Think of tree roots splitting rocks.

> Would be
> an interesting theme if someone could figure out a way to convey it.

Indeed... not easy...

Thomas


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From: Sean Day
Subject: Re: moss
Date: 25 May 2013 05:07:33
Message: <51a07f55@news.povray.org>
Shay wrote:
>
>
> "s.day" <s.d### [at] uelacuk> wrote in message
> news:web.519f32018856ea2f3449e5060@news.povray.org...
>> "Shay" <non### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>>> Another that might make an interesting "Elements of Geology" tc-rtc
>>> entry.
>>> There are so many elements in dead rock that are absolutely necessary
>>> for
>>> life.
>
>> However, I did start working on this image about 5 years ago so way
>> before the
>> tc-rtc round was announced ;-)
>
>
>
> In some sense, I started working on every POV image sometime in the late
> 90s. A scene refresh is much less a sin that using "absolutely necessary".
>
> -Shay

I know what you mean, I have so many unfinished images I gave up on for 
one reason or other (usually just not happy with the outcome).

I would like to find out my first 'successful' images if I can still 
locate the source code and give them a work over (probably end up being 
a complete rewrite).

Sean


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