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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Children don't look...
Date: 14 Apr 2009 08:45:00
Message: <web.49e4845855da85cff06ce2830@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> Hm. Except for the possibility to mirror changes from one body half to the
> other, I don't see how to do that with magnets in Poser. I am always a bit
> wary to use them as I find them somewhat impredictable.

The alternative would be to manipulate the surface directly, I guess - but
Poser's interface for "painting" bumps and dents onto surfaces is still a
greater mystery to me than magnets...


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Children don't look...
Date: 14 Apr 2009 10:23:43
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"clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
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>
> The alternative would be to manipulate the surface directly, I guess - but
> Poser's interface for "painting" bumps and dents onto surfaces is still a
> greater mystery to me than magnets...
>

The morph tool? yes, indeed. Although I think that for small local changes 
that is more appropriate than the magnets. Growing horns on Jame's forehead 
is really fun for instance and easy to do. Mirroring the changes afterwards 
is the finishing touch. Personally, except for the built-in morphs, I rarely 
use the morph tool, and practically never the magnets. However, I must say 
that I did not (yet) have the need/incentive to use them. That might 
change....

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Children don't look...
Date: 14 Apr 2009 11:06:35
Message: <aj99u4pp44f78cqeh839ig7qakjivn43td@4ax.com>
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:23:42 +0200, "Thomas de Groot"
<tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:

>
>The morph tool? yes, indeed. Although I think that for small local changes 
>that is more appropriate than the magnets. Growing horns on Jame's forehead 
>is really fun for instance and easy to do. Mirroring the changes afterwards 
>is the finishing touch. Personally, except for the built-in morphs, I rarely 
>use the morph tool, and practically never the magnets. However, I must say 
>that I did not (yet) have the need/incentive to use them. That might 
>change....

I'm with you on that Thomas but then I've not had the need to use those tools.
My models are not as friendly as Christoph's and seldom even touch.

Clipka, do you know about UV Mapper? You can use it to remap bump and
displacement maps on your Poser models.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Children don't look...
Date: 14 Apr 2009 11:15:00
Message: <web.49e4a7ea55da85cff06ce2830@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> The morph tool? yes, indeed. Although I think that for small local changes
> that is more appropriate than the magnets. Growing horns on Jame's forehead
> is really fun for instance and easy to do.

The thing is that whatever I do with the tool, whatever settings I use, whatever
mouse buttons I press etc, I *always* seem to be growing horns with it :P

Well, to be honest, it's actually not even horns - it seems to invariably result
in the very same undesired transformation that doesn't seem to make any sense at
all. I really don't have the *slightest* clue how to gain *any* control over
that tool.

Maybe it's just that my computer is too slow? I also have problems using any of
the other "tampering" tools like, say, rotation: I pull some body part a bit
with the mouse, and here I have James with his arm twisted by 720 degrees
(Celsius, not Fahrenheid ;))

So as of now, I usually work with only the sliders.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Children don't look...
Date: 14 Apr 2009 11:20:01
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Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
> Clipka, do you know about UV Mapper? You can use it to remap bump and
> displacement maps on your Poser models.

Doesn't ring a bell, no.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Children don't look...
Date: 14 Apr 2009 15:53:34
Message: <qcq9u490ic0nq7brmi1rht5d6n3phn93ij@4ax.com>
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:15:34 EDT, "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

>Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>> Clipka, do you know about UV Mapper? You can use it to remap bump and
>> displacement maps on your Poser models.
>
>Doesn't ring a bell, no.
>
>
UVMapper classic (free) http://www.uvmapper.com/downloads.html 
Is a utility which can map or remap an image to a mesh. I don't know about Daz
but Poser can use displacement maps where the mesh can be modified like adding a
heightfield. Or so I understand.

To be honest, it is the sort of program that I think should be useful but have
seldom used.  
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Children don't look...
Date: 14 Apr 2009 20:30:00
Message: <web.49e529dd55da85cff06ce2830@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
> UVMapper classic (free) http://www.uvmapper.com/downloads.html
> Is a utility which can map or remap an image to a mesh. I don't know about Daz
> but Poser can use displacement maps where the mesh can be modified like adding a
> heightfield. Or so I understand.

Well, the main point would probably be whether *PoseRay* can make any use of
them... 'cause POV-Ray cannot, that's for sure.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Children don't look...
Date: 15 Apr 2009 01:37:38
Message: <4isau4pgt74k82b2hqup70oi8arpvnr33g@4ax.com>
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:27:09 EDT, "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

>Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>> UVMapper classic (free) http://www.uvmapper.com/downloads.html
>> Is a utility which can map or remap an image to a mesh. I don't know about Daz
>> but Poser can use displacement maps where the mesh can be modified like adding a
>> heightfield. Or so I understand.
>
>Well, the main point would probably be whether *PoseRay* can make any use of
>them... 'cause POV-Ray cannot, that's for sure.
>
>
Yes, displacement works with PoseRay. You will find it in the groups tab,
sub-tab displacement.

A quick experiment with a sphere did not require UVMapper to be used. So if your
model has a bump map for normals you could modify that for displacement.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Children don't look...
Date: 15 Apr 2009 03:50:01
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"clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
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>
> The thing is that whatever I do with the tool, whatever settings I use, 
> whatever
> mouse buttons I press etc, I *always* seem to be growing horns with it :P

A useful thing is to select Use Limits in the Figure drop-down box.

Generally speaking, you should select Show All Tools, in the Window 
drop-down box.


The important thing to be aware of is that you can (and often should) tweak 
the sensitivity of the different tools. For the transformation tools you 
mentioned , you can restrict the amount of change, or in-/decrease the 
sensitivity in the Properties box: click on the black arrow following the 
different transformations and click on Settings... then change the 
Sensitivity and/or the Limits. However, for the basic transformations, I 
always use the sliders as I find them easier to use than pulling an arm in 
3D space so to speak :-)

For the Morphing Tool, you can in-/decrease the Exageration Min/Max sliders 
in the Tool's box, under Combine, and the Magnitude under Create, where you 
can also select the different morphing tools (Push; Pull; Smooth; Restore).

Thomas


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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: Children don't look...
Date: 15 Apr 2009 15:58:39
Message: <49e63c6f@news.povray.org>
Not bad at all. They both lack a bit of healthy color (skin), and the 
fingers lack the typical wrinkles at the finger joints, that would look then 
much better.

But it is a great job. I wouldn't know anyone who has a problem by seeing 
the hands of two friends holding together.

Sven


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