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From: Trevor G Quayle
Subject: Re: Vector Test Results
Date: 11 Jan 2008 16:45:00
Message: <web.4787e2cc4abdea3bc150d4c10@news.povray.org>
YKYBRTLW...

-tgq


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Vector Test Results
Date: 11 Jan 2008 16:55:20
Message: <4787e5c8@news.povray.org>
Was there a point to this and your original 'Vector' post?

  Please enlighten me.

    ~Steve~


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From: EagleSun
Subject: Re: Vector Test Results
Date: 11 Jan 2008 17:15:01
Message: <web.4787e95b4abdea3b1ee33c1d0@news.povray.org>
"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> Was there a point to this and your original 'Vector' post?
>
>   Please enlighten me.
>
>     ~Steve~

well.. not sure I needed a point.. but I suppose it's like this.. a few days
before seeing the one I posted, I saw some vector art pictures, and they looked
pretty real.  And this one looked like a vector.. I wanted to test it to see if
others thought it might be a vector too, to make sure I wasn't the only one
having to look twice.


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From: Trevor G Quayle
Subject: Re: Vector Test Results
Date: 11 Jan 2008 17:20:00
Message: <web.4787eab34abdea3bc150d4c10@news.povray.org>
"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> Was there a point to this and your original 'Vector' post?
>
>   Please enlighten me.
>
>     ~Steve~

I think it's just a bit of a mental game.  We often try to get our computer
renders to look super-realistic, but tend to think that fine photos look
rendered...

-tgq


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Vector Test Results
Date: 11 Jan 2008 17:25:29
Message: <4787ecd9$1@news.povray.org>

> "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>> Was there a point to this and your original 'Vector' post?
> 
> I think it's just a bit of a mental game.  We often try to get our computer
> renders to look super-realistic, but tend to think that fine photos look
> rendered...

Or like when you see a rendered simulation (eg. fluid) and you find some 
details that don't look real. Then you watch nature very closely and 
notice the simulation was actually right.

I find that more often with skies. Most "good" rendered skies are 
similar cyan-sky-white-clouds, wjem om fact a lot more strange 
variations (colors, cloud shapes, etc) happen in nature.


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Vector Test Results
Date: 12 Jan 2008 00:00:01
Message: <web.478848404abdea3bbe3a88470@news.povray.org>
"EagleSun" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Her name is Diem Thuyen, 20 years old, a model and photographer currently in
> Arizona.

damn smooth lady!  with a face like that there's no need for photoshop!


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From: stm31415
Subject: Re: Vector Test Results
Date: 12 Jan 2008 00:30:00
Message: <web.478850034abdea3b2ba9a0ea0@news.povray.org>
Not to excuse my own incorrectness, it does bring up some interesting points.

I would say it's always been true (throughout the history of art) that a
precisely accurate portrayal isn't the most realistic. When we try to fool the
eye what we really must do is fool the mind --- and photorealism isn't always
the way to do that. "There is no excellent beauty that hath not some
strangeness in the proportion."

Also, context alters content. We saw the image in a context where we expect
rendered images. Just like Joshua Bell in a metro stop is readily ignored, a
photo out of context doesn't necessarily appear photographic.  Context is
always a factor to be considered in the creation and presentation of art.

I do congratulate her, however, on her alarmingly perfect skin.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Vector Test Results
Date: 12 Jan 2008 06:06:24
Message: <47889f30$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> with a face like that there's no need for photoshop!

  Or botox. :P


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Vector Test Results
Date: 12 Jan 2008 10:15:00
Message: <web.4788d89f4abdea3b1ab096090@news.povray.org>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > with a face like that there's no need for photoshop!
>
>   Or botox. :P

aham... yes... :S


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From: EagleSun
Subject: Re: Vector Test Results
Date: 13 Jan 2008 04:30:00
Message: <web.4789d9754abdea3b41a9a9570@news.povray.org>
"stm31415" <stm### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Also, context alters content. We saw the image in a context where we expect
> rendered images.

As I said earlier, her line of photos don't indicate the use of vector or
rendering technology.... *however*... I did purposely destoy JPEG-embedded
information (because camera and photoshop information are dead give-aways) and
converted the image into PNG format, thus removing the photo out of context,
and hinting that maybe it was rendered, maybe not.


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