On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:24:53 -0600, "Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote:

>
>"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
>news:2nij609tp55csa8lhse4tmjtdtn9rm754d@4ax.com...| On Tue, 30 Mar 2004
>09:52:18 -0600, "Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote:
>|
>| The paper doll look is to some extent deliberate. A lot of my models
>| are designed with similarity in mind. I've had MIBs and running
>| figures riddled throughout my work. I like the clone look.
>|
>|
>| Please understand that I do not care if my work is taken seriously or
>| not. I am not here to earn trust. The work merely stands as it does -
>| as an expression of my mind.
>
>Bull5h!+
>
>You attempted to explain your art to me in this very same post.

I attempted to explain it because an issue was raised. I would do the
same if asked to explain it. Otherwise I merely post. Why do people
struggle with this concept?

 It's
>hard to play rebel when you have (nick)named yourself after the icon of
>a *social* group, IMBJR. Don't insult my intelligence, and go sell
>"obdurate radical artist" somewhere else.

Pardon me, but my "nickname" is nothing of the sort:

Take the word CHAOS

Take the word ORDER

Treat each letter as if it had a value:

C + O / 2 = I
H + R / 2 = M
A + D / 2 = B
O + E / 2 = J
S + R / 2 = R

Hence IMBJR

As you can see, any resemblance to some social groups's icon is
actually purely coincidental. 

PS. I'm no where near being a so-called radical artist. I derive
pleasure from permutating a smoking figurehead and like to ocasionally
dabble in the kitsch and even the sentimental. Hardly the stuff of so
called radicalism. You really do need to get the facts in.

And here is my personal posting "philosophy" again:

Yes, I don't require dialog, but yes, I will explain. It's a simple
idea.



>
> -Shay
>

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"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
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| Pardon me, but my "nickname" is nothing of the sort:

On this point I stand corrected.

 -Shay

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IMBJR wrote:

> Please understand that I do not care if my work is taken seriously or
> not. I am not here to earn trust. The work merely stands as it does -
> as an expression of my mind. 
> 
Then why show it at all?

I thought that Shay's point about establishing trust was quite far 
reaching and filled in piece of the puzzle for me that I couldn't quite 
get to in my own mind.  In short, it helped me further define what the 
symbiosis is between an expressive act and the community which it must 
take place within to have any meaning.  This given our mutual stance 
that private assemblies must be free to establish their own standards 
for individual freedom internally.

No I don't think that a 'work' without an audience can stand on its own. 
  And if you don't engage the community that forms your audience in a 
genuine way, you don't really have an audience.

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IMBJR wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:39:55 -0500, Tyler Eaves <tyl### [at] NOSPAMml1net>
> wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:15:17 +0100, IMBJR wrote:
>
>>>I know what you mean. One of my fellow Subgenius artists has a blog
>>>that I view at work with some trepidation as he likes to explore what
>>>can only be termed mutant porn.
>>
>>Since, god forbid, you actually, like, work, or anything.
> 
> 
> Eh? I can't see why God forbidding me to work as anything to do with
> this?

Yeah, it wasn't the Sabbath! ;-)
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Dan P
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IMBJR wrote:

<snip />

> I'd have to check, but I'm fairly sure inverse k's are on. I know the
> pose certainly is wild though, but then I'm not after realism - after
> all who ever heard of a woman breast feeding a flying infant?

What... what are you saying, I had a strange childhood? The doctor told 
me that was normal. NORMAL! (Hugging self, rocking)

>>I'd love to see a bigger version of this image. :-)
>>
>>By any chance, are you using subsurface scattering in this image? The 
>>skin has an interesting sheen to it that suggests depth. Really, really 
>>cool.
> 
> No, but I do have a Poser rendering of this character with the same
> sheen apparent. It must have something to do with the texture that
> came with the model.

Hmm! It really turned out nice. Kinda like the golden skin of a turkey 
on Thanksgiving day.

Mmmmn... turkey.

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Dan P
http://<broken link>

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Jim Charter wrote:

> IMBJR wrote:
> 
>> Please understand that I do not care if my work is taken seriously or
>> not. I am not here to earn trust. The work merely stands as it does -
>> as an expression of my mind.
> 
> Then why show it at all?
> 
> I thought that Shay's point about establishing trust was quite far 
> reaching and filled in piece of the puzzle for me that I couldn't quite 
> get to in my own mind.  In short, it helped me further define what the 
> symbiosis is between an expressive act and the community which it must 
> take place within to have any meaning.  This given our mutual stance 
> that private assemblies must be free to establish their own standards 
> for individual freedom internally.
> 
> No I don't think that a 'work' without an audience can stand on its own. 
>  And if you don't engage the community that forms your audience in a 
> genuine way, you don't really have an audience.

I'm starting to think IMBJR's communication with the group is actually 
part of the artistic expression itself.

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Dan P
http://<broken link>

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Among other things, IMBJR wrote:

> Pardon me, but my "nickname" is nothing of the sort:
> 
> Take the word CHAOS
> 
> Take the word ORDER
> 
> Treat each letter as if it had a value:
> 
> C + O / 2 = I
> H + R / 2 = M
> A + D / 2 = B
> O + E / 2 = J
> S + R / 2 = R
> 
> Hence IMBJR

Shouldn't you have taken CHAOS and COSMOS? ...although they have different 
numbers of letters...

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On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:35:23 -0600, Dan P <dan### [at] yahoocom>
wrote:

>IMBJR wrote:
>
><snip />
>
>> I'd have to check, but I'm fairly sure inverse k's are on. I know the
>> pose certainly is wild though, but then I'm not after realism - after
>> all who ever heard of a woman breast feeding a flying infant?
>
>What... what are you saying, I had a strange childhood? The doctor told 
>me that was normal. NORMAL! (Hugging self, rocking)
>
>>>I'd love to see a bigger version of this image. :-)
>>>
>>>By any chance, are you using subsurface scattering in this image? The 
>>>skin has an interesting sheen to it that suggests depth. Really, really 
>>>cool.
>> 
>> No, but I do have a Poser rendering of this character with the same
>> sheen apparent. It must have something to do with the texture that
>> came with the model.
>
>Hmm! It really turned out nice. Kinda like the golden skin of a turkey 
>on Thanksgiving day.
>
>Mmmmn... turkey.

Cheers for that wonderful mental image.

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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:24:02 +0200, Jellby <jel### [at] M-yahoocom>
wrote:

>Among other things, IMBJR wrote:
>
>> Pardon me, but my "nickname" is nothing of the sort:
>> 
>> Take the word CHAOS
>> 
>> Take the word ORDER
>> 
>> Treat each letter as if it had a value:
>> 
>> C + O / 2 = I
>> H + R / 2 = M
>> A + D / 2 = B
>> O + E / 2 = J
>> S + R / 2 = R
>> 
>> Hence IMBJR
>
>Shouldn't you have taken CHAOS and COSMOS? ...although they have different 
>numbers of letters...

True, plus I don't recokon COSMOS is entirely the opposite of CHAOS.

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On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:09:36 -0500, Jim Charter <jrc### [at] msncom>
wrote:

>IMBJR wrote:
>
>> Please understand that I do not care if my work is taken seriously or
>> not. I am not here to earn trust. The work merely stands as it does -
>> as an expression of my mind. 
>> 
>Then why show it at all?

Because it is a manifestation of my mind, an expression of my self. I
wish to express myself, I do not necessarily expect to explain that
expression or have it become a dialog, which is merely two subjective
entities not understanding one another.

>
>I thought that Shay's point about establishing trust was quite far 
>reaching and filled in piece of the puzzle for me that I couldn't quite 
>get to in my own mind.  In short, it helped me further define what the 
>symbiosis is between an expressive act and the community which it must 
>take place within to have any meaning.  This given our mutual stance 
>that private assemblies must be free to establish their own standards 
>for individual freedom internally.
>
>No I don't think that a 'work' without an audience can stand on its own. 
>  And if you don't engage the community that forms your audience in a 
>genuine way, you don't really have an audience.

I don't expect an audience. I expect to express myself.

Now, I know some of you are really struggling with this odd concept
but it really is that simple.

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