Hi there,  I'm new to the pov-ray newsgroups... but you seem like a 
friendly enough crowd.

With this in mind I have decided to offer this here picture for 
criticism.  Don't hold back, tell me how to make it the best pot plant 
ever... I was going for something like a Cantonese Lace. I used 
SplineTree and some scanned leaves for the plant, h.f. for the dirt, and 
csg for the pot.

The area light shadow of the foliage looks even grainier on a less 
compressed image.. how can I fix this? (make nice soft shadows)

Ian

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You need to use more lights in the area light. The plant looks good, but
the branches could be a bit more brown. The leaves are so small that the
fact that they're the same isn't too harmful here. The floor looks
strange. I don't know what kind of floor that is, and the bowl looks to
be to big for the plant, IMO

Josh

(Btw, you should attach your image to the message, not do it inline. Not
everyone can read messages like this and some people will ignore it
altogether because of it. )

Ian Witham wrote:

> Hi there,  I'm new to the pov-ray newsgroups... but you seem like a
> friendly enough crowd. With this in mind I have decided to offer this
> here picture for criticism.  Don't hold back, tell me how to make it
> the best pot plant ever... I was going for something like a Cantonese
> Lace. I used SplineTree and some scanned leaves for the plant, h.f.
> for the dirt, and csg for the pot. The area light shadow of the
> foliage looks even grainier on a less compressed image.. how can I fix
> this? (make nice soft shadows) Ian

--
Josh English
eng### [at] spiritonecom
"May your hopes, dreams, and plans not be destroyed by a few zeros."

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Nice plant!

In my opinion, the dirt looks too much like chocolate.  I've seen darker
soils (almost black) and lighter soil, but not this chocolate colour.  Hmmm
chocolate.  Try adding some crand.

As for the soft shadows, like Josh mentioned, you need more area lights.
The jpeg artifacts didn't help here either.

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On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:44:19 +1200, Ian Witham wrote...
> Hi there,  I'm new to the pov-ray newsgroups... but you seem like a friendly enough
crowd.
> 
> With this in mind I have decided to offer this here picture for criticism.  Don't
hold back, tell me how to make it the best pot plant ever... I was going for something
like a Cantonese Lace. I used SplineTree and some scanned leaves for the plant, h.f.
for the dirt, and csg for the pot.
> 
> The area light shadow of the foliage looks even grainier on a less compressed
image.. how can I fix this? (make nice soft shadows)
> 
> Ian

Looks like a young bonsai to me.

I think it needs a little more foliage, but nice, nonetheless.

Bye for now,
     Jamie.

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Josh English <eng### [at] spiritonecom> wrote in message
news:395A4D35.38C02189@spiritone.com...
> You need to use more lights in the area light. The plant looks good, but
> the branches could be a bit more brown. The leaves are so small that the
> fact that they're the same isn't too harmful here. The floor looks
> strange. I don't know what kind of floor that is, and the bowl looks to
> be to big for the plant, IMO

Thanks josh...
1.. it's based on a pot plant I have with green branchs
2.. there are three different leaf object's. maybe there should be more I
guess..
3.. I can explain the bowl -- this image started off as a bonsai tree and I
never got around to changing it!

> (Btw, you should attach your image to the message, not do it inline. Not
> everyone can read messages like this and some people will ignore it
> altogether because of it. )

thanks again... still much to learn.

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But in actuality, we are mass murders that just happen to have this one
single thing in common. Wait a minute, POV ray and Mass Murdering are
things we have in common... We just happen to have these TWO things in
common... or, oh just forget it...

Looks better then I can do it. Good job. But just remember, everybody
has their on talents, H.E. Day has master blobs, DeWitt has nailed humor
(he thinks), Gillis Trans has mastered hacking into POV Ray to make a
Picture look like a render (Gillis, this is a complement), I have
mastered ships, wait, ok, I haven't mastered ships, but I'm close...

Ian Witham wrote:

> Hi there,  I'm new to the pov-ray newsgroups... but you seem like a
> friendly enough crowd.
>
>   With this in mind I have decided to offer this here picture for
> criticism.  Don't hold back, tell me how to make it the best pot plant
> ever... I was going for something like a Cantonese Lace. I used
> SplineTree and some scanned leaves for the plant, h.f. for the dirt,
> and csg for the pot. The area light shadow of the foliage looks even
> grainier on a less compressed image.. how can I fix this? (make nice
> soft shadows) Ian

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| "Ian Witham" <ian### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:395a4789@news.povray.org...
| Hi there,  I'm new to the pov-ray newsgroups... but you seem like a friendly
enough crowd.

Hi Ian.  Friendly? Yes.  That is, until HTML is used to post messages...
plain text is preffered due to the wide variety of newsreader programs people
use here.  Please have a look at posting guidelines at
povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions.  That can help in the future.

| With this in mind I have decided to offer this here picture for criticism.
Don't hold back, tell me how to |make it the best pot plant ever... I was
going for something like a Cantonese Lace. I used SplineTree |and some scanned
leaves for the plant, h.f. for the dirt, and csg for the pot.

I don't know much about plants, this one looks good far as branching and leaf
placement goes, just a bit thinned-out looking.  The detail to the leaves is
nice, even though not very visible here.  You could vary them slightly with a
'turbulence' added in: pigment {image_map{} turbulence 0.05} for close ups or
larger renders.

|The area light shadow of the foliage looks even grainier on a less compressed
image.. how can I fix |this? (make nice soft shadows)

It may be that the area light is near and wide.  If the light/plant distance
were 10, for example, with a plant size of around 1 then I'd have used a
'area_light <1,0,0>,<0,1,0>,4,4 jitter adaptive 1' (situated facing the plant)
but no more than that.  Every situation is different though.  Were you using
MegaPov then adding in 'orient' 'circular' would help it greatly.
I like the bowl, the dirt could use some color variation of sharp contrast at
a small scale using a granite patterned colormap for example.

Bob

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> | Hi there,  I'm new to the pov-ray newsgroups... but you seem like a
friendly
> enough crowd.
>
> Hi Ian.  Friendly? Yes.  That is, until HTML is used to post messages...

yeah sorry... already been told off for that one!  :-)
>
> | With this in mind I have decided to offer this here picture for
criticism.
> Don't hold back, tell me how to |make it the best pot plant ever... I was
> going for something like a Cantonese Lace. I used SplineTree |and some
scanned
> leaves for the plant, h.f. for the dirt, and csg for the pot.
>
> I don't know much about plants, this one looks good far as branching and
leaf
> placement goes, just a bit thinned-out looking.  The detail to the leaves
is
> nice, even though not very visible here.  You could vary them slightly
with a
> 'turbulence' added in: pigment {image_map{} turbulence 0.05} for close ups
or
> larger renders.

That's a great idea, but I've also used the same leaf images for
bump_map's... if I add the same amount of turbulence to the image_map and
bump_map will they still line up?


> |The area light shadow of the foliage looks even grainier on a less
compressed
> image.. how can I fix |this? (make nice soft shadows)
>
> It may be that the area light is near and wide

It was, and I've fixed it now, thanks.

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nice plant, looks like a miniature tree.

weird though, oe didnt show the usual paper clip attachment, i nearly 
missed it !

Rick
  "Ian Witham" <ian### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
news:395a4789@news.povray.org...
  Hi there,  I'm new to the pov-ray newsgroups... but you seem like a 
friendly enough crowd.

  With this in mind I have decided to offer this here picture for 
criticism.  Don't hold back, tell me how to make it the best pot plant 
ever... I was going for something like a Cantonese Lace. I used 
SplineTree and some scanned leaves for the plant, h.f. for the dirt, and 
csg for the pot.

  The area light shadow of the foliage looks even grainier on a less 
compressed image.. how can I fix this? (make nice soft shadows)

  Ian

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Rick schrieb in Nachricht <395b4229@news.povray.org>...

weird though, oe didnt show the usual paper clip attachment, i nearly missed
it !

Instead OE copied the hole HTML-Message including the pic. Could be good to
uncheck "options"-"send"-"use same format for reply" (or something like
that).

Marc-Hendrik

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