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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: A box of oranges (valencian, of course)
Date: 19 Sep 2012 10:14:26
Message: <5059d342$1@news.povray.org>
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On 19/09/12 14:21, Stephen wrote:
> I was thinking of this:
>
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/luis-melendez-still-life-with-oranges-and-walnuts
Very interesting painter... I never heard of him, but I'm really
ignorant about art and artists.
> But maybe you could use bullet physics to make a Valencian paella?
:) ...totally weird idea, but feasible to some degree. It would be
difficult to model some of the ingredients realistically enough, if I
want to stick to the official denomination of Valencian Paella.
--
Jaime
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On 19-9-2012 16:03, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 19-9-2012 14:21, Stephen wrote:
>> I was thinking of this:
>>
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/luis-melendez-still-life-with-oranges-and-walnuts
>>
>
> I wonder what POV-Ray version he is using. SSLT is missing... ;-)
>
On a more serious note: One day, I would like to render a copy of this
painting. Some interesting challenges in terms of modelling amongst others.
Thomas
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Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignorancia org> wrote:
> On 19/09/12 14:21, Stephen wrote:
> > I was thinking of this:
> >
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/luis-melendez-still-life-with-oranges-and-walnuts
>
> Very interesting painter... I never heard of him, but I'm really
> ignorant about art and artists.
>
A trip to Madrid to go to the Prado is worthwhile IMO.
> > But maybe you could use bullet physics to make a Valencian paella?
>
> :) ...totally weird idea, but feasible to some degree. It would be
> difficult to model some of the ingredients realistically enough, if I
> want to stick to the official denomination of Valencian Paella.
>
A Joke! A joke! But if you want to try you would be an alchemist. ;-)
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 19-9-2012 16:03, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> > On 19-9-2012 14:21, Stephen wrote:
> >> I was thinking of this:
> >>
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/luis-melendez-still-life-with-oranges-and-walnuts
> >>
> >
> > I wonder what POV-Ray version he is using. SSLT is missing... ;-)
> >
>
to good effect. But you have to see them in the flesh, so to speak. (I actually
wanted to wipe the bloom off.)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/magnoliasoft.imageweb/bridgeman/supersize/xir375130.jpg
> On a more serious note: One day, I would like to render a copy of this
> painting. Some interesting challenges in terms of modelling amongst others.
>
Many a time I have looked at it and other still life then just wandered away
saddened at the mess I know I would make. :-(
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Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote:
> On 18/09/12 21:27, Stephen wrote:
> > And burn your name into the box. ;-)
>
> Done! ...tough not my name, but a fictitious company.
The subsurface on the oranges looks much better now, as does the ground texture
and grass blades. I love the idea and implementation of the burned lettering
too. Nicely done, Jaime!
Cheers
-------------------------------------------------
www.McGregorFineArt.com
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On 19-9-2012 17:32, Stephen wrote:
> to good effect. But you have to see them in the flesh, so to speak. (I actually
> wanted to wipe the bloom off.)
>
> http://s3.amazonaws.com/magnoliasoft.imageweb/bridgeman/supersize/xir375130.jpg
Weird. His finish{} block of the grape is flawed imo, and he used indeed
Sam's bloom macro.
>
>
>> On a more serious note: One day, I would like to render a copy of this
>> painting. Some interesting challenges in terms of modelling amongst others.
>>
>
> Many a time I have looked at it and other still life then just wandered away
> saddened at the mess I know I would make. :-(
Not necessarily a mess, Stephen. It would be your own interpretation of
it. As a kind of citation, in its own right.
I need some time before starting seriously...
Thomas
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> Playing again with bullet physics, this time with spheres filling a box.
> Being from Valencia, the subject was obvious from the start... :)
>
> These are my old "isoranges", filling a wooden box quickly modelled with
> Wings3D and resting on a image-mapped plane. The photographic nature of
> the plane was dissimulated a bit using 30000 grass-like meshes textured
> with the same image.
>
> After the 2h render, I noticed the oranges looked way too artificial
> without sslt... So, I rendered in 13m an additional image with
> subsurface{} on the oranges and everything else in black, then screened
> this image on top of the original render.
>
> --
> Jaime
>
Very nice... except that ripe Valencia oranges are actualy green. They
start green, turn orange, then turn back to a particular dark green once
fully rippened. They are dyed orange before been sold.
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> Very nice... except that ripe Valencia oranges are actualy green. They
> start green, turn orange, then turn back to a particular dark green once
> fully rippened. They are dyed orange before been sold.
Seems that this man knows what he's talking, jaime. ;-)
B Gimeno
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> Very nice... except that ripe Valencia oranges are actualy green. They
> start green, turn orange, then turn back to a particular dark green once
> fully rippened. They are dyed orange before been sold.
Please share your sources, everything what Jaime and I thought we knew about the
oranges is having grown up and lived in a place that produces oranges (and some
rice), and is the first time I hear of that paint to sell oranges. The truth is
that oranges are "polish" and cleaned after collection to look more appealing,
but not "paint" anything.
Although I think the dark green pigment referred, with white spots and a
characteristic odor of overripe fruit is usually indicative of an orange that
has ceased to offer certain health guarantees.
B. Gimeno
btw, una imatge collonuda jaume!
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>
>> Very nice... except that ripe Valencia oranges are actualy green. They
>> start green, turn orange, then turn back to a particular dark green once
>> fully rippened. They are dyed orange before been sold.
>
>
> Please share your sources, everything what Jaime and I thought we knew about the
> oranges is having grown up and lived in a place that produces oranges (and some
> rice), and is the first time I hear of that paint to sell oranges. The truth is
> that oranges are "polish" and cleaned after collection to look more appealing,
> but not "paint" anything.
Not all oranges rippen the same way, or in the same time. Some go from
flowers to ripe fruit in less than a year, other can take up to 3 to 5
years... Some orange trees can have flowers, unripe fruits and ripe
fruits at the same time.
No paint, orange DYE.
If you scratch the surface or a real valencia orange, you may find some
green. That green rarely go deeper than 1mm. Under that, you have white
peel, then orange flesh.
I've seen some photos of valencia oranges, in the tree, at various
rippening stages (flowers, small fruit, large somewhat light green
fruits, unripe orange fruits and dark green ripe fruits) a few years
ago. I can't find those right now.
>
> Although I think the dark green pigment referred, with white spots and a
> characteristic odor of overripe fruit is usually indicative of an orange that
> has ceased to offer certain health guarantees.
Dark green, without any white or gray spot, similar to that of a ripe lime.
>
> B. Gimeno
>
> btw, una imatge collonuda jaume!
>
>
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