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"Alain" <aze### [at] qwerty org> schreef in bericht
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> Is that an iron or a bronze sword? Both are probable for that era. Steel
> is not available yet.
It is supposed to be an iron sword.
Thomas
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"Dave Blandston" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
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> That looks awesome! Here's an interesting tidbit: There's a company in New
> York
> called Sadigh Gallery that sells ancient artifacts, including Greek
> swords.
> http://www.sadighgallery.com/ I've purchased a few Egyptian artifacts from
> them
> (a fascination since my youth) and they appear to be authentic.
I based this sword on a book I found by chance in the public library. It is
called "Warfare in the Classical World" and shows fairly detailed
descriptions of different era weaponry. What you mention about the grip was
also my own concern, but is corroborated by the reconstruction in the book.
Nevertheless, I think I shall make it a bit thicker where it joins the
guard.
Thomas
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"Alain" <aze### [at] qwertyorg> schreef in bericht
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> The Greek sword was mostly a thrusting sword, the impacts are monsly
> longitudinals against relatively soft targets. That kind of impacts are
> easy to resist.
> Also, during that era, metallic armors where almost non-existant: Leather
> was the primary material used, with the odd metal reinforcement. They also
> used cloth and rope armors.
Yes, that seems to have been the case. Metal armor was generally only worn
by those who could afford them. Hence the beautiful bronze curass pieces one
can admire in some musea.
Fascinating how a random interest for some modelling opens up complete
discoveries about history, archaeology, art, etc. Well, I have always been
fascinated by ancient history and archaeology, but still, modelling seems to
stimulate those fascinations.
Thomas
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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> schreef in bericht
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> It is supposed to be an iron sword.
What am I thinking about!?!? I mean *bronze* of course....
Thomas
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"Dave Blandston" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
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There's a company in New York
> called Sadigh Gallery that sells ancient artifacts, including Greek
> swords.
> http://www.sadighgallery.com/
Those swords look like archaic ones, maybe Messinian. I am not sure. Are
they well-forged copies? or authentic ones? In the last case, I wonder how
they got hold of them....
Thomas
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Am 07.01.2011 09:41, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> "Dave Blandston"<nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
> news:web.4d259ddb8d4ff9375f9997c70@news.povray.org...
> There's a company in New York
>> called Sadigh Gallery that sells ancient artifacts, including Greek
>> swords.
>> http://www.sadighgallery.com/
>
> Those swords look like archaic ones, maybe Messinian. I am not sure. Are
> they well-forged copies? or authentic ones? In the last case, I wonder how
> they got hold of them....
"Best Sellers
...
Crucifiction Nails"
Now why on earth does /that/ sound strangely familiar... :-P
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> "Thomas de Groot"<tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> schreef in bericht
> news:4d26cc33@news.povray.org...
>> It is supposed to be an iron sword.
>
> What am I thinking about!?!? I mean *bronze* of course....
>
> Thomas
>
>
At the time, bronze swords where often beter that iron ones: iron swords
tended to bend and fold under use. It can be a real problem during a battle.
The Romans used that willfully with ther pilums: They had a stout,
heavy, wooden shaft fitted with a long soft iron head. They trusted then
into the shields of ther oponent and droped it, switching to ther
swords. The iron shaft will then bend and weight down the shield
rendering it's use very difficult, or even impossible. The legionair
could now simply attack over the now lowered shield with devastating
results.
Alain
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"clipka" <ano### [at] anonymousorg> schreef in bericht
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> "Best Sellers
> ...
> Crucifiction Nails"
>
> Now why on earth does /that/ sound strangely familiar... :-P
LOL! Yeah, you are right! They just got the complete toolbox and are
selling peacemeal.... :-)
Thomas
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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> Those swords look like archaic ones, maybe Messinian. I am not sure. Are
> they well-forged copies? or authentic ones? In the last case, I wonder how
> they got hold of them....
>
> Thomas
The company claims to sell authentic pieces (some items are priced in the tens
of thousands of dollars). The items I bought appeared so authentic that the
effort to construct such high quality fakes would have made them even more
expensive than originals. I believe they are actual artifacts. I've seen
numerous museum pieces to compare them to as well. At one time when I was
attending college the Ramses exhibit was on display in a building within walking
distance from my dormitory and I saw it several times.
Regards,
Dave Blandston
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"Dave Blandston" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
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> The company claims to sell authentic pieces (some items are priced in the
> tens
> of thousands of dollars). The items I bought appeared so authentic that
> the
> effort to construct such high quality fakes would have made them even more
> expensive than originals. I believe they are actual artifacts. I've seen
> numerous museum pieces to compare them to as well. At one time when I was
> attending college the Ramses exhibit was on display in a building within
> walking
> distance from my dormitory and I saw it several times.
>
Hmm... Well-made forgeries are (almost) undistinguishable from the real
stuff, and many even end up in museums as genuine ones. There is a whole
industry that has developed around their production. If, as the company
claims, the pieces (or some of them) are authentic, the question is how they
got hold of them. Most countries (e.g. Greece, Italy, Egypt) have very
severe laws agains the export and reselling of archeologica. Enforcement of
the law is another matter, but I would not recommend to try it. So, black
market comes to mind... It would be much better if the company claimed to
sell high quality copies imo.
What I mean is: don't believe at first sight. Especially in the higer prize
range. ;-)
Thomas
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