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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: "Spinner" space colony (2)
Date: 11 Jun 2010 11:04:26
Message: <4c12507a@news.povray.org>
"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4c122ef6f3c715fa6dd25f0b0@news.povray.org...
> Ah, but I think Mike's approach with the interactive VR is exactly the way 
> to do
> a space habitat. I think the way the perspective distorts the edge of the 
> frame
> while panning gives the viewer an instinct for the fov that can be very 
> tricky
> for non-rectilinear geometries. I'm going to try this with my ringworld - 
> and
> I'll also dig out the O'Neill habitat that I started constructing some 
> years
> ago. (As an aside, this had a simple uniform fog inside it, and it worked 
> very
> well as a depth cue!)
>

Would be nice to do a Ringworld again. We have progressed over the last five 
years, or so I hope :-)

I don't remember well now, was that epsilon issue fixed/corrected in version 
3.7 or not? At the time we had a rapid patch of 3.6 I seem to remember...

Thomas


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: "Spinner" space colony (2)
Date: 11 Jun 2010 11:20:00
Message: <web.4c1252bff3c715fa6dd25f0b0@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> Would be nice to do a Ringworld again. We have progressed over the last five
> years, or so I hope :-)

Haven't touched mine for a while. Perhaps its time to haul it out again :)

> I don't remember well now, was that epsilon issue fixed/corrected in version
> 3.7 or not? At the time we had a rapid patch of 3.6 I seem to remember...

I think the smaller epsilon was to be included in 3.7. This was a few years ago
now so I guess it's in there... either have a peek at the source or try to
render something vast!


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: "Spinner" space colony (2)
Date: 11 Jun 2010 12:55:18
Message: <4c126a76@news.povray.org>

> On 11/06/2010 2:38 PM, Bill Pragnell wrote:
>> Stephen<mca### [at] aolDOTcom> wrote:
>>> I agree with you. I think this is an interesting experiment. It makes me
>>> wonder what a game engine would make of it.
>>
>> That reminds me - ever play any of the Halo games? There's a pretty good
>> rendition of a ringworld, and beautiful to look at. I kept getting
>> shot up cos I
>> was too busy ogling the scenery :-)
>>
>>
>
> No, the last game I played was Doom II, Doom III was too dark for me to


>
>
Doom III was way BAD. They totaly sacrified playability to athmosphere :(
Even in the living abitats and working areas, where a good lighting is 
vital, you had great dificulty seeing things. Another bad thing: it 
overrode your gamma/contrast/brightness settings and did not restore 
those on exit.


Alain


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: "Spinner" space colony (2)
Date: 11 Jun 2010 13:23:13
Message: <4c127101@news.povray.org>
Le 2010-06-10 20:20, SharkD a écrit :
> Made the buildings larger, the roads narrower.
>
I realy like your new end cap. I also like that you now have more 
vegetation space.

But:
Why is the ground faceted and not smoothly curving?
Still to many road vehicles. The ONLY vehicles should be utility and 
public transportation, and positively NO personal ones.

On a space station, any space station, even an imensly huge one, 
resources are inherently scarce. Living space, parks space, working 
space, cargo space, air, water, raw and rafined materials, energy, 
everything is counted and counts. Personal cars are a waste of 
resources, and thus frowned uppon.

Juging by the dimentions of the buildings and other indices, I could 
relatively easily walk from one end to the other to get to work and back 
home. I could even walk back home for my lunch... After all, it looks 
like the overall length is less than about 2Km, or about a 10 to 20 
minutes walk. In such a case, taking a car would take about the same 
amount of time... and using a bike would reduce the time needed to 5 
minutes or less. (I need about 20 minutes to walk about 3Km. Most 
peoples have a walking speed ranging from 5 to 7Km/h)


Alain


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: "Spinner" space colony (2)
Date: 11 Jun 2010 18:18:24
Message: <4c12b630$1@news.povray.org>
On 11/06/2010 5:55 PM, Alain wrote:
> Doom III was way BAD. They totaly sacrified playability to athmosphere :(
> Even in the living abitats and working areas, where a good lighting is
> vital, you had great dificulty seeing things. Another bad thing: it
> overrode your gamma/contrast/brightness settings and did not restore
> those on exit.



-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: "Spinner" space colony (2)
Date: 12 Jun 2010 03:01:48
Message: <4c1330dc$1@news.povray.org>
"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4c1252bff3c715fa6dd25f0b0@news.povray.org...
> I think the smaller epsilon was to be included in 3.7. This was a few 
> years ago
> now so I guess it's in there... either have a peek at the source or try to
> render something vast!

Yes, that is what I thought too. I'll do something vast... :-)

Thomas


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From: SharkD
Subject: Re: "Spinner" space colony (2)
Date: 12 Jun 2010 03:15:15
Message: <4c133403@news.povray.org>
Two new renders. One from last night showing the atmosphere and rounded 
portal to outside. And one from just a few minutes ago showing the 
curved (as well as some new) buildings.

-- 
http://isometricland.com


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: "Spinner" space colony (2)
Date: 12 Jun 2010 03:30:44
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On 12/06/2010 8:14 AM, SharkD wrote:
> Two new renders. One from last night showing the atmosphere and rounded
> portal to outside. And one from just a few minutes ago showing the
> curved (as well as some new) buildings.
>

Looking better :-D

-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: "Spinner" space colony (2)
Date: 12 Jun 2010 04:48:17
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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> schreef in bericht 
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> Yes, that is what I thought too. I'll do something vast... :-)
>

Just to test, a quick-and-dirty scene from the past, rapidly adapted to 3.7, 
without any atmospheric effects at all, and viewed from close to the 
Ringworld floor.

No epsilon artefacts indeed. Maybe time to produce something better now... 
:-)  Time allowing, I intend to take up the project again.

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: "Spinner" space colony (2)
Date: 12 Jun 2010 06:58:43
Message: <4c136863$1@news.povray.org>
On 12/06/2010 9:48 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Thomas de Groot"<tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet>  schreef in bericht
> news:4c1330dc$1@news.povray.org...
>> Yes, that is what I thought too. I'll do something vast... :-)
>>
>
> Just to test, a quick-and-dirty scene from the past, rapidly adapted to 3.7,
> without any atmospheric effects at all, and viewed from close to the
> Ringworld floor.
>
> No epsilon artefacts indeed. Maybe time to produce something better now...
> :-)  Time allowing, I intend to take up the project again.
>

Ooo! Nicer :-)

-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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