Jim Charter <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote:
> In POV I have generally stayed away from landscape
> but the ruins thing seemed the entre I needed to try it.
[snip]
> resigned myself that I had to do a capital.  Figured as long as I was
> doing it, might as well do the Corinthian.  Thought also it would be a
> platform for experimenting with more weathering techniques.

Something I intend to do soon is to implement a method of weathering more
arbitrary meshes, using the same parameters as my macros. I'm going to try it
out for my current stony WIP. It will involve a 2-step process - firstly, a
small external program to convert, e.g., .obj files to an intermediate format,
then a POV macro to read the vertices and apply the weathering via pigments.
The end result will be exactly the same as the meshrelief macros - a ready-to
use mesh2 that can also be saved in a .inc file.

It strikes me that this could be useful for your capitals. I'll post some
results as I get them...

PS I'm with the others, the example you posted is superb. ;-)

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WOW, just extraordinary.

I have to commend you for 'sticking with' such a detailed object; I would
probably have stopped half-way through and thought, 'Good enough.' To see
someone go that extra mile is always good inspiration--especially for those
times when I get just plain tired of looking at something I'm making and want
to move on.  Patience is a virtue, and has its rewards!

Ken W

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Jim Charter wrote:
> After much reworking, there are some improvements but I still feel
> that I don't have a grip on this yet.
> 
> When drawing and painting, shortcomings are mostly the result of
> shortcomings in observing and understanding teh subject, rather than
> technical shortcomings with the medium.  This is true with this mesh 
> model also I think.  The problems are with the 3d comprehension of what 
> I am observing more than with the technical issues of making the model.

And yet, despite all you say, what I see before me is a great example of 
modeling. You should be proud of this work. A scene containing elements 
displaying a level of detail such as this should make a fine render indeed.

Sam

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Kenneth wrote:
> WOW, just extraordinary.
> 
> I have to commend you for 'sticking with' such a detailed object; I would
> probably have stopped half-way through and thought, 'Good enough.' To see
> someone go that extra mile is always good inspiration--especially for those
> times when I get just plain tired of looking at something I'm making and want
> to move on.  Patience is a virtue, and has its rewards!
> 

Thanks for the kind words. Yes, I agree, the mental attitude when 
modelling is very important.  It cannot be hurried in my experience.  I 
frequently have to step back and shift into a 'lower gear' so to speak.

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stbenge wrote:

> And yet, despite all you say, what I see before me is a great example of 
> modeling. You should be proud of this work. A scene containing elements 
> displaying a level of detail such as this should make a fine render indeed.
> 


Your encouragement means alot to me, Sam.  Perhaps it's downhill from 
here.  Stay tuned for a few more tweaks to the model.  As I stated in 
the original version, one of the techniques here is that elements of the 
whole capital are instanced from 'template' pieces then arranged with 
POV SDL.

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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht 
news:49b07693@news.povray.org...
> After much reworking, there are some improvements but I still feel
> that I don't have a grip on this yet.
>
> When drawing and painting, shortcomings are mostly the result of
> shortcomings in observing and understanding teh subject, rather than
> technical shortcomings with the medium.  This is true with this mesh
> model also I think.  The problems are with the 3d comprehension of what
> I am observing more than with the technical issues of making the model.
>

Yet, this is impressive work. I cannot see any faults with it as there are 
different subtle variations in Corinthian capitals. I never attempted this 
complexity and remained with the Ionian ones. Again, I am deeply impressed.

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot wrote:

> 
> Yet, this is impressive work. I cannot see any faults with it as there are 
> different subtle variations in Corinthian capitals. I never attempted this 
> complexity and remained with the Ionian ones. Again, I am deeply impressed.
> 

Thanks Thomas, yes I will say that apon revisiting some of my reference 
photos I see that there is a least one example where the Acanthus are 
quite close to the look I have here.  I think I do what to make another 
pass though and see if I can't get a little more exaggerated look to the 
foliage.

-Jim

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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht 
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> ... As I stated in the original version, one of the techniques here is 
> that elements of the whole capital are instanced from 'template' pieces 
> then arranged with POV SDL.

Yes, that is an excellent method. I used it also to build my Didyma temple.

Thomas

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Guuuuuuuh! Very nice.

I remember a day, eight years ago, spent driving around thinking about 
how I might structure the triangles of a hand-coded icanthus leaf. 
Never got around to trying it.

You should plant yours in a pot and present it without distraction. An 
artist would be inclined to look this closely; Your audience might need 
some persuasion.

  -Shay

Jim Charter wrote:

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Shay wrote:
> Guuuuuuuh! Very nice.

Thanks for the kind words Shay.


> 
> I remember a day, eight years ago, spent driving around thinking about 
> how I might structure the triangles of a hand-coded icanthus leaf. Never 
> got around to trying it.

There is some regularity to their structure which makes this a 
tantalizing possiblity.  There is also some predictability to how the 
stylizations are derived.  But ultimately you would have to choose 
between styles.  And with that much work, you had better like the style 
you choose when you finish.

I found those last observations were also relevant when modelling them 
in a modeller. And I actually did think of you, and your forays into 
font design, when I was doing these and struggling with such choices.


> 
> You should plant yours in a pot and present it without distraction. An 
> artist would be inclined to look this closely; Your audience might need 
> some persuasion.
> 

Yes, the acanthus meshes are kind of impressive in themselves.  Another 
thought was to render as a 'wire' cage with little cylinders joining the 
vertices.

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