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From: Chambers
Subject: My Office...
Date: 3 Feb 2008 03:36:59
Message: <47a57d2b@news.povray.org>
...is sadly underfurnished :(

Please help us add objects to it!

(See my post in p.object-collection)

-- 
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: My Office...
Date: 3 Feb 2008 03:42:56
Message: <47a57e90$1@news.povray.org>
Thanks to Chris Bartlett for a really cool envelope macro (I'll make 
better use of it in the next image, I promise!).

I modeled a ballpoint pen with user-supplied text on the side, and that 
chrome pen holder.

Just in case you haven't seen my posts in p.o-c (and don't want to look 
there for them), I'm trying to assemble a group of office related 
objects to upload to the object collection as a single contribution. 
Anyone who wishes may donate objects.  The point is to have a variety of 
objects that are a relatively high quality (no point in putting in 
something that can be modeled in 5 minutes...), but are flexible enough 
to fit a variety of scenes.

So, please help me decorate! :)

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...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: My Office...
Date: 3 Feb 2008 10:04:29
Message: <47a5d7fd$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers escribió:
> (no point in putting in 
> something that can be modeled in 5 minutes...)

There is a point actually. I could post a quick-n-dirty model that I did 
in 5 minutes. Other people could use it as a base to make it more 
complex, detailed, and flexible. If individuals post complete and 
finished models only, it's not as much of a community effort...

(follow-up to p.o-c, if I got it right)


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: My Office...
Date: 3 Feb 2008 15:31:52
Message: <47a624b8$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Chambers escribió:
>> (no point in putting in something that can be modeled in 5 minutes...)
> 
> There is a point actually. I could post a quick-n-dirty model that I did 
> in 5 minutes. Other people could use it as a base to make it more 
> complex, detailed, and flexible. If individuals post complete and 
> finished models only, it's not as much of a community effort...
> 
> (follow-up to p.o-c, if I got it right)

Good point, but only for a WIP collection.

I don't want this to become a collection of half-baked models; I want 
them to be

a) High quality, ready to use in a final scene
b) Flexible, so they'll fit a variety of needs

Maybe, if you have a wip you don't want to continue, post it in p.b.i 
separately, and see if anyone wants to continue it?

-- 
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My Office...
Date: 3 Feb 2008 16:17:41
Message: <47a62f75@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> I don't want this to become a collection of half-baked models; I want 
> them to be

Having organized several things like this in my career, I'll suggest 
that it would be useful to allow "half-baked models", along with a 
rating system as to quality, complexity, customizability, etc. Usually 
just a 1-5 quality rating will do. This lets people looking for *any* 
model of a giraffe (say) find something to at least start with...

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     On what day did God create the body thetans?


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: My Office...
Date: 3 Feb 2008 16:39:38
Message: <47a6349a$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>> I don't want this to become a collection of half-baked models; I want 
>> them to be
> 
> Having organized several things like this in my career, I'll suggest 
> that it would be useful to allow "half-baked models", along with a 
> rating system as to quality, complexity, customizability, etc. Usually 
> just a 1-5 quality rating will do. This lets people looking for *any* 
> model of a giraffe (say) find something to at least start with...
> 

Yes, but that's why we have the object collection.  I'm trying to put 
together a single package within that collection.

If you have a 'half baked model', by all means upload it to 
lib.povray.org on its own, and I'll be more than happy to look at it.

-- 
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com


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From: Chris B
Subject: Re: My Office...
Date: 3 Feb 2008 16:48:48
Message: <47a636c0@news.povray.org>
"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message 
news:47a62f75@news.povray.org...
> Chambers wrote:
>> I don't want this to become a collection of half-baked models; I want 
>> them to be
>
> Having organized several things like this in my career, I'll suggest that 
> it would be useful to allow "half-baked models", along with a rating 
> system as to quality, complexity, customizability, etc. Usually just a 1-5 
> quality rating will do. This lets people looking for *any* model of a 
> giraffe (say) find something to at least start with...
>
> -- 
>   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
>     On what day did God create the body thetans?

Hi Darren,

I think this is something slightly different.

The http://lib.povray.org web site does support non-standard submissions. 
You can rate your contribution (1-3) and indicate that it's doesn't comply 
with the standards. By default the search won't display such objects, but 
there is an option on the search screen to display non-compliant objects 
(just below the keywords box).

Once an item has been submitted, anyone (anyone who's bothered to register) 
can provide feedback on quality, complexity, compliance etc. with both free 
text fields and numeric ratings.

Ben is attempting to put together a cluster of high quality objects for 
submission to the collection. Anyone who wants to promote the development of 
the collection in other ways is also welcome to do so and, IMO will also be 
doing the community a service.

Regards,
Chris B.

Regards,
Chris B.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My Office...
Date: 3 Feb 2008 17:01:58
Message: <47a639d6$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> Yes, but that's why we have the object collection.  I'm trying to put 
> together a single package within that collection.

Cool. Sorry. I misunderstood. :-)

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     On what day did God create the body thetans?


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From: Reuben Pearse
Subject: Re: My Office...
Date: 14 Feb 2008 03:50:20
Message: <47B400D4.6030509@pearse.co.uk>
Hi,

There are some pencils and a pen pot on the Povobjects site. See the 
link below:

http://objects.povworld.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?X=pencil

Does lib.povray.org now have all the objects that are on the povobjects 
site? Or is it a case of contacting the original authors and getting 
them to re-submit their objects so that they're covered under LGPL?

It would be great to see a browseable objects package included as part 
of the standard POV install.

Bye for now







Chambers wrote:
> ...is sadly underfurnished :(
> 
> Please help us add objects to it!
> 
> (See my post in p.object-collection)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>


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From: Chris B
Subject: Re: My Office...
Date: 14 Feb 2008 06:44:40
Message: <47b429a8@news.povray.org>
"Reuben Pearse" <reu### [at] pearsecouk> wrote in message 
news:47B### [at] pearsecouk...
> Hi,
>
> There are some pencils and a pen pot on the Povobjects site. See the link 
> below:
>
> http://objects.povworld.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?X=pencil
>
> Does lib.povray.org now have all the objects that are on the povobjects 
> site? Or is it a case of contacting the original authors and getting them 
> to re-submit their objects so that they're covered under LGPL?
>

Harvesting object from any sites with a more restrictive licenses (or where 
no license is given, in which case copyright remains with the original 
author) would need consent from the original author. This would either mean 
that the original author would need to re-submit to lib.povray.org so that 
their objects can be distributed under the CC-LGPL, or, it's also possible 
for someone else to do the actual submission with appropriate consent from 
the author.

It's possible that some existing objects from other locations have licenses 
that permit re-distribution under the CC-LGPL without requiring additional 
consent from the original author, in which case, anyone willing to put in a 
little time could do it.

> It would be great to see a browseable objects package included as part of 
> the standard POV install.
>

I'd very much like to see that too. The motivation behind the creation of 
this object collection (http://lib.povray.org/) was to build a set of 
objects that can be used together,  under a common license that enables (and 
indeed encourages) future modification and redistribution. The basic naming 
standards that we've adopted are intended to enable the objects to be added 
into a single directory and used individually or in combination without 
conflicting with one another.

Chris Cason has announced the intention to move POV-Ray V4 over to the GPL 
license. There's nothing stopping us (or anyone else for that matter) 
creating a download of the whole object collection right now. It should 
therefore be possible in the future to distribute POV-Ray V4, along with the 
entire object collection as well as open source modellers, sets of utilities 
and other supporting software as a bundle. Indeed, I think it was suggested 
that it could even be built into open source operating system distribution 
packages.

The first step of course will be to build the object collection up to a 
critical mass.  We need to get enough interesting objects to make it the 
place of reference when people are looking for POV-Ray objects or when 
they're looking for a place to share their own objects.

There are lots of ways of contributing to this effort. It would be great if 
someone would be willing to reach out to contributors to other collections 
and invest a little time to build this collection in that way. I can imagine 
that many of the original authors would be very pleased to see their work 
take on a new life.

Regards,
Chris B.


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