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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Slime's povcomp tree on Hospital magazine
Date: 19 Nov 2007 15:55:00
Message: <web.4741f745220aa032f6a1b3c30@news.povray.org>
"alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> I am no lawyer but doesn't a release without use stipulation constitute a public
> domain item?


That's a major misconception, especially since the Internet has made it so easy
to share files and indulge in wishful thinking on copyright law.  Either the
copyright must expire (Slime's death + 70 years), or Slime must *explicitly*
place the work into the public domain.

In order to use the image legally without Slime's permission, the hospital must
claim Fair Use.  They would need to consult a lawyer if Slime doesn't agree.

Copyright FAQ:
   http://faqs.org/faqs/law/copyright/faq/

Copyright myths, pertaining specifically to Slime's country, but probably
similar internationally:
   http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Slime's povcomp tree on Hospital magazine
Date: 19 Nov 2007 18:08:08
Message: <47421758$1@news.povray.org>
Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Slime must *explicitly*
> place the work into the public domain.

  From my experience even lawyers specialized in copyright issues seem
to disagree on whether it's possible for the author to remove copyright
from a work just by declaring so. Some lawyers say it is possible,
others say the law has no such concept.

  If I were to release something to completely unrestricted usage I
would not trust that just saying "this is PD" is enough. I would use an
explicit license. (For software the MIT license would be good for this,
for example.) Then there would be absolutely no controversy possible.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Slime's povcomp tree on Hospital magazine
Date: 20 Nov 2007 03:21:02
Message: <474298ee$1@news.povray.org>
"alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4741bade220aa032f1cc42d70@news.povray.org...
>
> The words look very Spanish or Mexican looking. Par for the course IMHO.
> Don't get me wrong. Anyone without a "silver spoon" has had a difficult 
> time,
> trust me.
>

= Italian.

Thomas


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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: Slime's povcomp tree on Hospital magazine
Date: 23 Nov 2007 11:45:20
Message: <474703a0$1@news.povray.org>
I apologize for the degree of civilization in some of my fellow-citizen: in
reply to my mail they say that their opinion was that Internet images were
freely available for all purposes. There is a lot of work to do on!
Anyway a lot of patients was (I think) delighted by seeing your trees...
;-)
Paolo


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Slime's povcomp tree on Hospital magazine
Date: 23 Nov 2007 14:28:17
Message: <474729d1@news.povray.org>
Paolo Gibellini wrote:
> in
> reply to my mail they say that their opinion was that Internet images were
> freely available for all purposes.

  Perhaps you should give them a link correcting that mistaken assumption?


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Slime's povcomp tree on Hospital magazine
Date: 24 Nov 2007 10:29:35
Message: <4748435f@news.povray.org>
Paolo Gibellini nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/23 11:55:
> I apologize for the degree of civilization in some of my fellow-citizen: in
> reply to my mail they say that their opinion was that Internet images were
> freely available for all purposes. There is a lot of work to do on!
> Anyway a lot of patients was (I think) delighted by seeing your trees...
> ;-)
> Paolo
> 
> 
Images on the internet are NOT freely available for all purpose. BUT, once 
anything hit the internet, it's very hard to enforce. You MUST ALWAYS assume 
that any image, any content in fact, is covered by a copyright. If there is a 
text that say: "Freely available for personal use.", it mean that you can set it 
as your wallpaper, or save it localy for your own personal, private use. You are 
NOT allowed to redistribute in ANY way or to use in any professional way. For 
ANY use that exeed private and personal, you shouls always consult with the author.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
You know you've been raytracing too long when you've tried rendering hair with 
each strand as an object.
Quietly Watching


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From: M a r c
Subject: Re: Slime's povcomp tree on Hospital magazine
Date: 24 Nov 2007 10:49:27
Message: <47484807@news.povray.org>

4748435f@news.povray.org...
> Paolo Gibellini nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/23 11:55:
>> I apologize for the degree of civilization in some of my fellow-citizen: 
>> in
>> reply to my mail they say that their opinion was that Internet images 
>> were
>> freely available for all purposes. There is a lot of work to do on!
>> Anyway a lot of patients was (I think) delighted by seeing your trees...
>> ;-)
>> Paolo
>>
>>
> Images on the internet are NOT freely available for all purpose. BUT, once 
> anything hit the internet, it's very hard to enforce. You MUST ALWAYS 
> assume that any image, any content in fact, is covered by a copyright. If 
> there is a text that say: "Freely available for personal use.", it mean 
> that you can set it as your wallpaper, or save it localy for your own 
> personal, private use. You are NOT allowed to redistribute in ANY way or 
> to use in any professional way. For ANY use that exeed private and 
> personal, you shouls always consult with the author.
>
> -- 
> Alain
> -------------------------------------------------
> You know you've been raytracing too long when you've tried rendering hair 
> with each strand as an object.
> Quietly Watching

I had a similar problem last year (or the one before).
I was waching a morning talk program at national French tv ("Telematin" on 
France2).
There was a short medical subject about chocolate and good molecules you can 
find in.
I had a surprise when I saw an image of a chocolate tablet that I had seen 
somewhere.
It was this one maked-up to hide the faces on the chocolate and the text on 
the package. http://marc.jacquier.free.fr/tablette.htm
But the shape of the torn tinfoil was exactly the same and it could not be a 
co-incidence as it is an intersection of a box and a height_field made from 
an image I drew  myself.
As it is a mean image I didn't make any move but I considered complaining.

Marc


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Slime's povcomp tree on Hospital magazine
Date: 25 Nov 2007 03:23:28
Message: <47493100$1@news.povray.org>
I am afraid this is only the tip of the iceberg. There are probably many 
more misuses like those reported here, of which we are not at all aware of.

Thomas


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Slime's povcomp tree on Hospital magazine
Date: 30 Dec 2007 20:19:57
Message: <477843bd$1@news.povray.org>

> or Slime must *explicitly*
> place the work into the public domain.

Quoting a website:



A: There is no such thing as "putting a work in the public domain", you 
America-centered, Commonwealth-biased individual. Public domain varies 
with the jurisdictions, and it is in some places debatable whether 
someone who has not been dead for the last seventy years is entitled to 
put his own work in the public domain.


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Slime's povcomp tree on Hospital magazine
Date: 30 Dec 2007 20:58:59
Message: <47784ce3$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot escribió:
> I am afraid this is only the tip of the iceberg. There are probably many 
> more misuses like those reported here, of which we are not at all aware of.
> 

I have seen Jaime Piqueres's "Office" scene in a fairly small image on 
TV, probably was shown during some seconds.


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