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From: Tek
Subject: Re: waves of stone, close up
Date: 27 Nov 2006 07:42:38
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"Nekar" <ger### [at] rpmmagcoza> wrote in message 
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> "Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote in message
>>Also this view shows some obvious levitating rocks,
>
> That part would be good for the sea - foam flying through the air

Yes, the sea already has it, that's why my rocks have it.

> I would make the clouds look like something from "the Grinch" to go with 
> the rest of the scene... =;-]

I was definitely thinking more lord of the rings but I see what you mean :)

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From: Tek
Subject: Re: waves of stone, close up
Date: 27 Nov 2006 13:14:57
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tweaked!

Improved rock & grass texture so the middle distance looks less flat and 
boring, although perhaps now too dark. And way better clouds, though still 
some striped artefacts (despite intervals=4).

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Tek
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"Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote in message 
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>I put the camera somewhere more interesting, and tweaked the lighting and
> atmosphere a bit. Though this much higher-res image shows up some errors 
> in
> the clouds. Also this view shows some obvious levitating rocks, and I'm 
> not
> so fond of the boring grey rock texture...
>
> Anyway, still looks pretty dramatic so I thought I'd show it :)
>
> I'm probably going to use it as a backdrop for some 2D stuff in photoshop,
> with some figures on the overhang on the left.
> -- 
> Tek
> http://evilsuperbrain.com
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>
>


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From: Marc
Subject: Re: waves of stone, close up
Date: 27 Nov 2006 14:21:26
Message: <456b3ab6$1@news.povray.org>

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> "jute" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
> news:web.456ab496417043ddf43b014e0@news.povray.org...
> > I don't think the levitating rocks (or otherwise impossible (?)
> > stoneforms)
> > detract from the image one bit, but then I'm pre-conditioned by
> > Roger Dean's art ^^
> >
>
> Aah! Another Roger Dean fan!! :-)

LOL He was the main reason for me to buy some early YES and Steve Howe LP's
(I miss 30cm sleeves)

Marc


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From: Halbert
Subject: Re: waves of stone, close up
Date: 27 Nov 2006 19:28:31
Message: <456b82af$1@news.povray.org>
That's some interesting geology going on there! ;-)



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From: Warp
Subject: Re: waves of stone, close up
Date: 27 Nov 2006 23:36:20
Message: <456bbcc4$1@news.povray.org>
Somehow I like this closeup less than the original. Some curves
are too smooth and mathematical-looking in order to look natural,
and they break the believability of the image somehow.

  The banding in the clouds isn't helping either.


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From: David El Tom
Subject: Re: waves of stone, close up
Date: 28 Nov 2006 03:25:07
Message: <456bf263$1@news.povray.org>
Tek schrieb:
> I put the camera somewhere more interesting, and tweaked the lighting and 
> atmosphere a bit. Though this much higher-res image shows up some errors in 
> the clouds. Also this view shows some obvious levitating rocks, and I'm not 
> so fond of the boring grey rock texture...
> 
> Anyway, still looks pretty dramatic so I thought I'd show it :)
> 
> I'm probably going to use it as a backdrop for some 2D stuff in photoshop, 
> with some figures on the overhang on the left.
> 
nice surreal appeal ...

it looks like your using media clouds based on df3 data (banding/cell
strukture). Instead of increasing the resolution of the df3 data you may
add some turbulence *after* importing the density file. Will slow down
the render process slightly but you get rid of the cell strukture, which
is an inherent problem of density files.

... dave


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From: St 
Subject: Re: waves of stone, close up
Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:45:04
Message: <456c75a0@news.povray.org>
You know Tek, that's much better. :o)

  After looking at this image, I was thinking about what I would do with it, 
and came to the conclusion that I would definately cover those floating 
bits. The one to the far right would be a soaring eagle - you already have 
the perfect shape there. And the one near the centre, I'd just cover with 
cloud. Also, the pointy bit to the left, would have the eagle's mate sitting 
there awaiting his return with possibly a nest nearby, (as that part looks 
quite close to me, and the rest looks far away).

   Nice potential in this image for various themes. (Hang glider also comes 
to mind low down in that valley).

      ~Steve~


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From: "Jérôme M. Berger"
Subject: Re: waves of stone, close up
Date: 28 Nov 2006 15:22:30
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Tek wrote:
> tweaked!
> 
> Improved rock & grass texture so the middle distance looks less flat and 
> boring, although perhaps now too dark. And way better clouds, though still 
> some striped artefacts (despite intervals=4).
> 
	You should lower the interval back to 1 and increase the samples
instead. With the right settings, you should get something that
looks better *and* renders faster...

		Jerome
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From: Tek
Subject: Re: waves of stone, close up
Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:35:24
Message: <456cd5cc$1@news.povray.org>
Actually when I said "intervals" I was mistaken, it was the samples I 
increased. They render faster than intervals but even with this setting, 
which still has some artefacts, it takes about 10 times longer than the rest 
of the scene :-(

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Tek
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> Tek wrote:
>> tweaked!
>>
>> Improved rock & grass texture so the middle distance looks less flat and
>> boring, although perhaps now too dark. And way better clouds, though 
>> still
>> some striped artefacts (despite intervals=4).
>>
> You should lower the interval back to 1 and increase the samples
> instead. With the right settings, you should get something that
> looks better *and* renders faster...
>
> Jerome
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From: Tek
Subject: Re: waves of stone, close up
Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:41:09
Message: <456cd725$1@news.povray.org>
Nope, no df3s here, it's a granite pattern with a lot of turbulence. The 
bands are parallel to the bounding shape, because in the distance each ray 
passes through a much longer range of clouds but uses the same number of 
samples (why doesn't pov adjust the min samples based on the distance it's 
sampling over?!), so you tend to get artefacts relating to large changes in 
depth of the bounding shape, which in this case means horizontal lines 
(effectively contours of depth of the bounding shape). And, before you say 
it, the bounding shape has to be like that because otherwise the clouds 
occupy such a small region of space that they mostly vanish when I use other 
bounding shapes, because no rays intersect with them.

Annoyingly media method 3's "anti-aliasing" seems blind to this artefact, so 
the only thing that fixes it is more samples => proportionally more render 
time :(

This one has 4 times as many samples and the artefacts are better, but still 
visible. Based on that I'd expect a 1500x1000 render without artefacts to 
take more than 24hrs! aaargh! So I'm not going to bother :)

-- 
Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com

"David El Tom" <dav### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message 
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> Tek schrieb:
>> I put the camera somewhere more interesting, and tweaked the lighting and
>> atmosphere a bit. Though this much higher-res image shows up some errors 
>> in
>> the clouds. Also this view shows some obvious levitating rocks, and I'm 
>> not
>> so fond of the boring grey rock texture...
>>
>> Anyway, still looks pretty dramatic so I thought I'd show it :)
>>
>> I'm probably going to use it as a backdrop for some 2D stuff in 
>> photoshop,
>> with some figures on the overhang on the left.
>>
> nice surreal appeal ...
>
> it looks like your using media clouds based on df3 data (banding/cell
> strukture). Instead of increasing the resolution of the df3 data you may
> add some turbulence *after* importing the density file. Will slow down
> the render process slightly but you get rid of the cell strukture, which
> is an inherent problem of density files.
>
> ... dave


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