On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:53:46 +0200, Sven Littkowski wrote:

> Which odd images? Hmm, just render them here to us.

Probably not particularly safe to do so....

> Yes, I am German, but live in Jamaica.Greetings,

Ah, yes, I remember you saying that now. :-)

Jim

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>> It does sound funny to me to say "Sheep master", and puts some
>> very....*odd* images in my head.
> 
> You obviously think of that wacky 70s Woody Allen movie...

Probably something along those lines. <G>

Jim

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Sven Littkowski wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
> news:pan### [at] nospamcom...
> 
>>Shepherd, though I like yours better. <g>
> 
> 
> 
> Shepherd, I see. Thanks! I like to learn the English language. Not that I am 
> bad in it, but I always like to expand. I believe my "sheep master" sounds 
> quite funny for English ears, ha ha!
> 
> Best greetings,
> 
> Sven 

Here's a couple of things to expand with:  You have been using the word 
hulk where you mean hull.  The hull means the "shell" of a ship or boat, 
hulk implies it's ruined/deteriorated -- ready for scrap or salvage.  It 
could also apply to a sunken ship.  Also you have been using descent 
where you mean decent.  Decent (pronounded DEE-snt) is nice, proper, 
pleasing.  Descent (pronounced de-SENT) is the act of descending or 
going down.

I hope you take this as I mean it -- to be helpful not critical.  (Even 
though I have already described myself as a curmudgeon.)   ;-)
I have great respect for multilingual people, which I am not -- I only 
speak English.  Although I did study German in college, I never learned 
it well enough to really use it.  And I even spent a year in Germany 
while I was in the army (in '61-'62).  No hostilities at that time so 
overall it was an enjoyable experience -- however, I was still too lazy 
to make the effort to learn the language while I was there.  :-(

      -=- Larry -=-

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"Sven Littkowski" <sve### [at] jamaica-focuscom> wrote:
> Which odd images? Hmm, just render them here to us.
>
> Yes, I am German, but live in Jamaica.Greetings,
>
> Sven


You understand me?

Stephen

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My friend(s).

There is only one way to react to your help: with a big Thanks! I could 
never say or think anything else. I think about the POV-Ray community that 
it is very lucky to have so many openminded and creative spirits shaping 
this community. It seems, a great program can influence which kind of 
persons are making the related community.

I am very happy and thankful for your help. And I appreciate it. And 
enthusiast you all to keep the fire burning! The POV-Ray community has the 
right spirit!

Best greetings,

Sven




"Larry Hudson" <org### [at] yahoocom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
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> I hope you take this as I mean it -- to be helpful not critical.  (Even 
> though I have already described myself as a curmudgeon.)   ;-)

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I live in the capital, Kingston. And there, in the district New Kingston, 
which is the business district. I live and work from my home. Working for 
that government, but also for companies, NGOs and persons.

But don't think, Jamaica is nice. It is not, actually. It is too corrupt, 
prices are therefore very high and standards low, and criminals truly all 
over. Take a bus and you have a 33%-chance to be robbed out on that route. 
Not much infrastructure there, no social structure at all.

The only nice things there are the girls, the nature and the water/beaches. 
Hmm, and the sun and the palms. Scuba-diving there is also nice, as well as 
renting a yacht for cruising some days and nights between the nearby small 
islands (Lime Cay, 3 miles off Port Royal).

Sugar and salt. Probably more salt, still.

The attached photo is NOT Jamaica, but we have very similar views. It is a 
shame that I even have no scenic picture on my computer...
Who knows? Maybe someone makes scenic renders of the Caribbean, such as this 
photo. Creating own lagoons and white palm beaches...

Best greetings,

Sven






"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
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> What parish? It was in Jamaica I found Pov-Ray. I saw the light or didn't.
> You understand me?
>
> Stephen
>

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"Sven Littkowski" <sve### [at] jamaica-focuscom> wrote:
> I live in the capital, Kingston. And there, in the district New Kingston,
> which is the business district. I live and work from my home. Working for
> that government, but also for companies, NGOs and persons.
>
> But don't think, Jamaica is nice. It is not, actually. It is too corrupt,
> prices are therefore very high and standards low, and criminals truly all
> over. Take a bus and you have a 33%-chance to be robbed out on that route.
> Not much infrastructure there, no social structure at all.
>
> The only nice things there are the girls, the nature and the water/beaches.
> Hmm, and the sun and the palms. Scuba-diving there is also nice, as well as
> renting a yacht for cruising some days and nights between the nearby small
> islands (Lime Cay, 3 miles off Port Royal).
>
> Sugar and salt. Probably more salt, still.
>
> The attached photo is NOT Jamaica, but we have very similar views. It is a
> shame that I even have no scenic picture on my computer...
> Who knows? Maybe someone makes scenic renders of the Caribbean, such as this
> photo. Creating own lagoons and white palm beaches...
>

I worked in Kingston for D&G 98 to 99. I lived in a hotel in uptown Kingston
then moved to a gated estate in Manor Park. Buses are not for Europeans
although I met a Dutch woman who was bussing it round the island on her
days off. I had a car and was treated like a minor deity and had a good
time. If you can get into the countryside the people there are much

exist to rip off tourists. But who can blame them when their beaches are

where the locals go. There are lots of ok things to do.

PS I hate "Soon come"

Stephen

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Greetings, Stephen!

Seems I am walking in your footprints! Sure, yes, of course I am often at 
Hellshire Beach. Well, ariound that beach. Just a few walking minutes away 
(around 30 mins), and located above HB, is another very lonely and quiet 
beach. Low but interesting vegetation, not many persons (=not many criminals 
as well), uncommercial and paradisic! And you can see there still animals 
and plants under water!

I know D&G, but I don't usually drink beer (Red Stripe) or others of their 
products. I actually never drink alcohol, he he! Just water, sodas and 
juices. I think, D&G is in those, as well. Manor Park? Yes, sure I know it!

I attach a Google Earth image about my approximate location. Insiders will 
know.

Busses, Ripping off Tourists: all true.

You was in 98/99 there. I am since 1999 there. By the way, right now - for 
home vacation - I am in Germany. But be back soon in Jamaica.

Greetings,

Sven





"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
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> I worked in Kingston for D&G 98 to 99. I lived in a hotel in uptown 
> Kingston
> then moved to a gated estate in Manor Park. Buses are not for Europeans
> although I met a Dutch woman who was bussing it round the island on her
> days off. I had a car and was treated like a minor deity and had a good
> time. If you can get into the countryside the people there are much
> different but stay away from the likes of Mo'bay and Negril. They just
> exist to rip off tourists. But who can blame them when their beaches are
> reserved for "white men". Have you been to Hellshire beach near Kingston?
> where the locals go. There are lots of ok things to do.

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"Sven Littkowski" <sve### [at] jamaica-focuscom> wrote:
> I live in the capital, Kingston. And there, in the district New Kingston,
> which is the business district. I live and work from my home. Working for
> that government, but also for companies, NGOs and persons.
>
> But don't think, Jamaica is nice. It is not, actually. It is too corrupt,
> prices are therefore very high and standards low, and criminals truly all
> over. Take a bus and you have a 33%-chance to be robbed out on that route.
> Not much infrastructure there, no social structure at all.

I've never heard a good word about Kingston; only that it's an impoverished
third world slum.  But how is the rest of the island?  I've heard good
about Montego Bay, but i don't know what the rural areas are like.

> The attached photo is NOT Jamaica, but we have very similar views. It is a
> shame that I even have no scenic picture on my computer...
> Who knows? Maybe someone makes scenic renders of the Caribbean, such as this
> photo. Creating own lagoons and white palm beaches...

I live in the Virgin Islands.  I'd started working on a beach study, but i
haven't invested the time to create finished scenes.  I'd gotten as far as
sand, sea water, rocks, and reflective beach balls, but no vegetation.

When i was a child, i spent a summer in Heidelberg, (West) Germany.  My
uncle was in the US Army, and was stationed there.  I went there with
dreams of learning German, optimistic because of its common roots with
English.  Unfortunately, my cousin felt he had to shelter me from "the
Germans," and didn't learn anything.  Years later i stopped in my tracks as
the thought came to me, "Hey, wait a minute!  I was in GERMANY.  Shouldn't i
have just told my cousin, 'Let's keep going!  I'm SUPPOSED to meet
Germans'?"  (I know, my reflexes are kind of slow.)

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Dear Ricky,

sometimes I feel very, very ashamed about some of my fellow Germans. We have 
some very friendly Germans, we have a wide majority of somehow neutral 
Germans, but we also have this - even rising - minority of really mentally 
underprivileged brainsick and violent right-wing Germans...

When you say that your cousing sheltered you, that might been maybe to your 
intellectual disadvantage but still, in the same time, to your physical 
advantage. Not sure, though. But look to the media reports on Germany. We 
have so many more attacks and attempts to kill colored humans since some 
months, and even worser, the justice system tends to let go right-wing 
criminals back into freedom or just judging minimum punishments while in the 
same time to increase strength of punishments against left-wing criminals 
and counter demonstrants against the pro-right-wing demonstrants. And many 
politicians even declare loudly that Germany has no fascists (upfront to the 
football worldmastership). I believe, there are not vew pro-right persons 
sitting in politics and justice. That scares me. They have the loud idiots 
on the roads to have the people looking to, while silently gaining more 
persons into the key positions.

That's one of the reasons I moved out of Germany. Oh, by the way, here is an 
interesting link:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,grossbild-631653-417616,00.html

Kingston is - indeed - in wide parts a slum. Caused by the decreasing social 
network, the rising poorness and incompetent political decisions. I think I 
can relatively good compare with many other countries (was in many for a 
long time).

The countryside is still kind of native. Many honest fellows there. Very 
friendly, and not minding to give shelter, accomodation, to even a stranger 
despite of their poorness. They embrace strangers as well as their own 
friends. That is the kind of humanity I look up to.

But many islanders are also very religious. And I really mean: very, very, 
very religious. Some of those religious families even take their children 
out of school just because they don't want their children to learn about 
science and evolution, can someone imagine that...
I am a fighter against religious intolerance. I am also an atheist who can 
be, therefore, tolerant to each person, independent by religion (Buddhism, 
Sikh, Jews, Moslems, Hindus, Christians, Shintoism, and all the other ones).

It would have been good, to be multi-lingual. That also would have opened 
additional business opportunities. But it is never too late, the options are 
even still there: maybe there are some Germans nearby where you live. Or 
some German communities who would like to make friends. That requires some 
research on the Net. There are always some clubs or communities. I am just 
not sure about how close or not close. In addition, language schools, of 
course. It really might pay, later on. There are many international 
companies. But you are right, it is a pity you couldn't achieve these goals 
during your German time. Sorry. But the fault is on our German side, I 
think. Your cousin acted like a caring family member.

Of which descendence are you? When I was still living in Berlin, i was a 
part of "Savannah United e.V.", an African cultural organization group. 
Organizing African festivals, and so. I am a native German (but one of the 
good ones, I hope).   ;-)

Ricky, I would be absolutely eager to see, as soon as anyhow possible, your 
first tropical island scenic renders! I like that island beach photo a lot 
which I posted previously, now it is up to the landscape artists amongst us 
to take the fire and come with a long series of beautiful tropical paradisic 
scenic renders. I want to see quiet hidden lagoons, long lonely beaches just 
escorted by palms hanging over the clear turkey water, I want to see 
colorful tropical blossoms, lianes, white sands, blue sky and all the other 
scenic beauties tropical islands just have. (And that's another reason why I 
am in the Caribbean.)

Best greetings,

Sven





"Cousin Ricky" <ric### [at] yahoocom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
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> I've never heard a good word about Kingston; only that it's an 
> impoverished
> third world slum.  But how is the rest of the island?  I've heard good
> about Montego Bay, but i don't know what the rural areas are like.
>
> I live in the Virgin Islands.  I'd started working on a beach study, but i
> haven't invested the time to create finished scenes.  I'd gotten as far as
> sand, sea water, rocks, and reflective beach balls, but no vegetation.
>
> When i was a child, i spent a summer in Heidelberg, (West) Germany.  My
> uncle was in the US Army, and was stationed there.  I went there with
> dreams of learning German, optimistic because of its common roots with
> English.  Unfortunately, my cousin felt he had to shelter me from "the
> Germans," and didn't learn anything.  Years later i stopped in my tracks 
> as
> the thought came to me, "Hey, wait a minute!  I was in GERMANY.  Shouldn't 
> i
> have just told my cousin, 'Let's keep going!  I'm SUPPOSED to meet
> Germans'?"  (I know, my reflexes are kind of slow.)
>
>

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