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> "Bob Hughes" <omniverse@charter%net> wrote in message
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>> Oh-oh. The zip file is said to be corrupt and his web site isn't there.
>
> I opened the zip using winzip with no problems and the files are readable.
> Try the download again. If it fails we can make a plan.

I tried it a few times at first and again just now. Same thing. WinXP 
complains it's invalid or corrupt, so I used a free zip program that could 
do a repair if possible and that also said empty or bad file without any way 
to fix it. I was guessing it had something to do with a special kind but 
everyone usually uses common enough things for posting to the newsgroups.

If you could send the uncompressed file(s) to omn### [at] charternet I'd 
really appreciate that. I could even send my scene file of this 20th Century 
Fox WIP back to you if you'd like me to; meager as it is, and unchanged 
since I last posted.  ;)

I sent an email to Nathan O'Brien using pov### [at] 13netnet but that got 
returned as unknown address. He's probably still around someplace because 
his last posting was a couple years ago from what I could find.

Bob H

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"Bob Hughes" <omniverse@charter%net> wrote in message 
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>> "Bob Hughes" <omniverse@charter%net> wrote in message
>> news:4403803d$1@news.povray.org...
>>> Oh-oh. The zip file is said to be corrupt and his web site isn't there.
>>
>> I opened the zip using winzip with no problems and the files are 
>> readable.
>> Try the download again. If it fails we can make a plan.

Bob,
The files needed a bit of updating as they were written in POV 0.0?
In any event I bullied them into submission and managed a quick render of
Nathan O'Brien's original 1997 work.
Search sources in attached 20Cfox.zip for DLM to spot commented changes.
I have posted sources to p.b.s-f in plain text.

DLM

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"Bob Hughes" <omniverse@charter%net> wrote in message 
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> "Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message 
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>> "Bob Hughes" <omniverse@charter%net> wrote:
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>>> BTW, I searched around for any others made before and ... if any of you
>>> have, I'd love to see it.
>
> I didn't search enough then!
>
>> Nathan o'Brien posted the source code of a slightly modified logo back in
>> 1997.
>> Look at
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http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.scene-files/thread/%3C347540cb.0%40news.povray.org%3E/?ttop=224092&toff=1000
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> Thank you Norbert! Wow, almost 9 years ago and I still remembered (or 
> thought I did) that somebody else had done one of these before. Maybe my 
> memory isn't as bad as I suspect it to be.
>
> Oh-oh. The zip file is said to be corrupt and his web site isn't there. 
> The one I found through a google search is just broken links. E-mail 
> address is there so maybe I could still make contact.
>
> Bob H
>
>
I think you may find a live Nathan O'Brien presence at
http://www.no13.net/
and some fabulous architectural renderings at
http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/exhibits/rayshade/church/

DLM

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Bob Hughes nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 02/03/2006 16:46:
> "DLM" <mae### [at] combumbiumdedu> wrote in message 
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>>"Bob Hughes" <omniverse@charter%net> wrote in message
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>>I opened the zip using winzip with no problems and the files are readable.
>>Try the download again. If it fails we can make a plan.
> 
> 
> I tried it a few times at first and again just now. Same thing. WinXP 
> complains it's invalid or corrupt, so I used a free zip program that could 
> do a repair if possible and that also said empty or bad file without any way 
> to fix it. I was guessing it had something to do with a special kind but 
> everyone usually uses common enough things for posting to the newsgroups.
> 
> If you could send the uncompressed file(s) to omn### [at] charternet I'd 
> really appreciate that. I could even send my scene file of this 20th Century 
> Fox WIP back to you if you'd like me to; meager as it is, and unchanged 
> since I last posted.  ;)
> 
> I sent an email to Nathan O'Brien using pov### [at] 13netnet but that got 
> returned as unknown address. He's probably still around someplace because 
> his last posting was a couple years ago from what I could find.
> 
> Bob H
> 
> 
You may be redownloading the same corrupt file from the internet cache. Go in your
internet 
properties and clear the internet cache. Once done, try again, you'll get a fresh
copy.

-- 
Alain
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Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow they may make it illegal.

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>> Bob H
>>
>>
> I think you may find a live Nathan O'Brien presence at
> http://www.no13.net/
> and some fabulous architectural renderings at
> http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/exhibits/rayshade/church/
>
> DLM
>
and the original render
http://www.no13.net/gallery3/images/image01.jpg

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"Alain" <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message 
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> You may be redownloading the same corrupt file from the internet cache. Go 
> in your internet properties and clear the internet cache. Once done, try 
> again, you'll get a fresh copy.

Great idea, Alain, I hadn't thought of that. Gave that a try now and it 
still says "invalid or corrupt", so I give up. Thanks to DLM I won't need to 
get that anymore. And I finally got to see that original render, too.

Bob H.

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Sure glad you found that original render! I couldn't get anywhere except to 
the web ring at that page. The architecture link is broken for me and no 
"gallery" that I could find either. The page about the church is a nice 
surprise.

Thanks so much for posting the files, too, DLM. I see that the old 
atmosphere keyword was being used, and that it actually dates back to 1996 
not 1998 like I had thought. I was still a POV-Ray newbie, maybe two years 
into it.

If I can, I'm going to try and recreate that "lamp" object of Nathan's to be 
like the 1935 to 1953 design. Looks like it might have glass or chrome in 
that, the pictures aren't exactly clear to me. Which is why I went ahead 
with my idea of how that building's lower front part might be glass and 
squared pillars, since I didn't think of it as cylindrical pillars there.

Anyway... thanks again!

Bob H

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Thank you indeed,
;-)
Paolo

> "Bob Hughes" wrote:
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> And I will love to share that, Paolo. Not much to it at all. In fact, it's
> probably way too simple for a good rendering. Is a WIP, of course.
>
> I tried to get better cloud colors by using a gradient pattern on a plane
> between them and the sunlight so it would look like it gets brighter
toward
> the horizon. I rendered this part alone before giving it to you and I
added
> the "air" because it wasn't dark enough without that. The camera needed to
> be in this, too, or else it might be trouble to get looking right again.
>

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"Bob Hughes" <omniverse@charter%net> wrote in message 
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> Sure glad you found that original render! I couldn't get anywhere except 
> to the web ring at that page. The architecture link is broken for me and 
> no "gallery" that I could find either. The page about the church is a nice 
> surprise.

Nathan's page is pretty much a stone wall last touched 3 years ago - in 
2003,
but looking at the source clued me in to his structure.
So http://www.no13.net/html/ for the html (check the functional 
galleryN.html) and
http://www.no13.net/gallery1/ etc for the gallery of POV images.
and http://www.thiessen-architects.com/ for his then current work place.



>
> Thanks so much for posting the files, too, DLM. I see that the old 
> atmosphere keyword was being used, and that it actually dates back to 1996 
> not 1998 like I had thought. I was still a POV-Ray newbie, maybe two years 
> into it.
>
Before I discovered POV, but I figured as much - also had to add semicolons 
for syntax compliance on declares;


> If I can, I'm going to try and recreate that "lamp" object of Nathan's to 
> be like the 1935 to 1953 design. Looks like it might have glass or chrome 
> in that, the pictures aren't exactly clear to me. Which is why I went 
> ahead with my idea of how that building's lower front part might be glass 
> and squared pillars, since I didn't think of it as cylindrical pillars 
> there.

For your beams do you use a parabolic reflector? Or is that a pair of cones?


>
> Anyway... thanks again!
My pleasure...
D

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"dlm" <me### [at] addressinvalid> wrote in message 
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> For your beams do you use a parabolic reflector? Or is that a pair of 
> cones?

Alas, I cheated on the beams. Added narrow, nearly transparent, cones to the 
centers of those two spotlights. Wasn't even sure anyone would notice that. 
I hadn't dared to try photons yet.

The lights themselves are actual the 'spotlight' type, so they are conical 
in shape too. I used copies of the bowl and glowing sphere as 
'projected_through' objects so I could place the light_source far below the 
actual exit points. Without projected_through I would have been limited to 
using cylinder spotlights, which I did render with for the first one posted, 
and they appear to narrow with height or distance.

That reminds me... I tried to align the light on the left to point straight 
up because the perspective camera was making that look odd compared to the 
old drawing style. In fact, that original really makes the "20th" loom large 
overhead, as though it leans toward the viewer. While putting mine together 
I kept thinking of how many times the artist(s) must have presented the film 
company with rough drafts until they accepted a design. Doing this on a 
computer versus paper or canvas is a great thing, but there's always 
something to be said for hand-drawn pictures such as the ability to create 
it with your own hands. Likewise sculpturing, etc.
-- 
Bob H  www.3digitaleyes.com
http://3digitaleyes.com/imagery/

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