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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msn com> wrote in message
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> Maybe that's why it looks like an overbaked brownie. It's trying to tell
> me something.
>
I knew I never should have made the brownie reference. :-(
Glad to see your returning to pure CSG, and better yet, to iso-surfaces and
leaving behind your evil meshes. (Totally joking. I have very dry humor, I
know...) ;-)
I'll attempt to be more serious now. It looks quite a bit better than your
previous versions. The streaks down the sides of the "hump" add quite a bit
of detail to it. Other than perhaps varying the texture (colors/pigment) a
bit, I can't think of anything which would add more detail to it. You've
nailed the surface quite well. However, those brighter spots on the leg in
shadow don't look right to me.
Some ideas, however:
HDRI?
Maybe 3-point lighting?
Well, those are things that I've been playing around with lately, and I've
had varying degrees of success. I think 3-point (studio) lighting might
really work well for this, if you are interested in showcasing the boli. It
seems to look best when you have interestingly curved surfaces like that.
Then you can get that render time closer to 71 hours... ;-)
--
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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> "Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msn com> wrote in message
> news:421fceb3$1@news.povray.org...
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>>Maybe that's why it looks like an overbaked brownie. It's trying to tell
>>me something.
>>
>
>
> I knew I never should have made the brownie reference. :-(
It was perfect. Maybe too perfect. LOL.
>
> Glad to see your returning to pure CSG, and better yet, to iso-surfaces and
> leaving behind your evil meshes.
It's the nighttime what's the worst. Theys ain't like nuttin' human.
...you start seein' 'em everywhere,...like theys followin' ya...likes
theys come ta get cha. You believe me, don't ya pal,...well don't
ya??????????????
(Totally joking. I have very dry humor, I
> know...) ;-)
You like to wear hose, I know.
>
> I'll attempt to be more serious now.
Oh gawd.
It looks quite a bit better than your
> previous versions. The streaks down the sides of the "hump" add quite a bit
> of detail to it. Other than perhaps varying the texture (colors/pigment) a
> bit, I can't think of anything which would add more detail to it. You've
> nailed the surface quite well. However, those brighter spots on the leg in
> shadow don't look right to me.
Seriously, thanks. In part it might be do to the EBlob functions in
iso_csg. They seem to give smoother transitions than blob primitives no
matter how you set the threshold. The texture is pretty much identical
to the one I posted earlier. I would like to also try something derived
from granite or wrinkles. Interestingly, combining the IC_Diplacement
with IC_EBlob, you seem to only get results within a narrow band of
thresholds or something. I sometimes mess with the pigment maps on the
underlaying functions for instance, like maybe sometimes only a map like
[0 rgb .98][1 rgb 1] will give results. On this one I used [0 rgb .4][1
rgb .6] for instance. I really don't understand what is going on.
>
> Some ideas, however:
> HDRI?
Yes, but that is another whole bog to get through and my first
encounters with it (shoe models) did not meet the success with it that
others seem to get. As I was saying to Shay, the whole
background/setting problem is significant because it really goes to
meaning. I don't think I'll find a good answer soon. I was trying to
place it on a table with maybe some foliage behind, but it's a
meaningless slog for me. I much more like the effect of photo product
shots with a color screen behind where the object either hovers in space
or makes the barest concessions to gravity and support.
> Maybe 3-point lighting?
>
> Well, those are things that I've been playing around with lately, and I've
> had varying degrees of success. I think 3-point (studio) lighting might
> really work well for this, if you are interested in showcasing the boli. It
> seems to look best when you have interestingly curved surfaces like that.
> Then you can get that render time closer to 71 hours... ;-)
>
Actually I was using something more like that. 2-points I think. This
render was not originally intended to be shown so the bg is incomplete
and the lighting purposely stark. But when the render just went on and
on...I don't know, I decided to post anyway. I will learn more
self-discipline as I learn to work with these long renders I am sure.
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msn com> wrote in message
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>> Some ideas, however:
>> HDRI?
>
> Yes, but that is another whole bog to get through and my first encounters
> with it (shoe models) did not meet the success with it that others seem to
> get. As I was saying to Shay, the whole background/setting problem is
> significant because it really goes to meaning. I don't think I'll find a
> good answer soon. I was trying to place it on a table with maybe some
> foliage behind, but it's a meaningless slog for me. I much more like the
> effect of photo product shots with a color screen behind where the object
> either hovers in space or makes the barest concessions to gravity and
> support.
>
Ahhh... That makes sense. I wasn't exactly sure where you were headed.
HDRI is simple to get good results when dealing with reflective objects,
like glass and metal, but using it to light an object where you're used to
specular highlights (or no highlights) can be difficult. I tried my oval
box in a HDRI scene and wasn't entirely happy, though it's not too bad
(http://www.beantoad.com/newimages/ovalbox-3.jpg). I'm sure I could get it
looking better if I spent the time, but the "kitchen probe" isn't exactly a
lesson in great lighting either, hence the 3-point lighting experiments
(actually 2 points, plus rad). And of course, I'm still trying to figure
out how to use LightSysIV effectively.
>
>> Maybe 3-point lighting?
>>
>
> Actually I was using something more like that. 2-points I think. This
> render was not originally intended to be shown so the bg is incomplete and
> the lighting purposely stark. But when the render just went on and on...I
> don't know, I decided to post anyway. I will learn more self-discipline
> as I learn to work with these long renders I am sure.
Like I said, most of my comments come from what I've been learning myself.
Suddenly, certain things stand-out to me that I never noticed before. I'm
often hesistant to make suggestions due to "perhaps I'm stating the
obvious."
And never forget my rule of thumb: If it's not under 10pps, then you've done
something wrong... ;-)
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Jeremy
www.beantoad.com
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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
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> HDRI is simple to get good results when dealing with reflective objects,
> like glass and metal, but using it to light an object where you're used to
> specular highlights (or no highlights) can be difficult.
Yes that was exactly the situation with my leather texture. Jaime
pretty much told me flat out that HDRI was the wrong tack to take. I
figure if you get Jaime commenting on your lighting, the thing to do is
shut up and listen.
But further, I also have philosophical reservations with HDRI in terms
of the making of meaning.
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