Shay wrote:

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> "Bill Hails" <bil### [at] europeyahoo-inccom> wrote in message
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> Awesome CSG. I love all of the rounded corners. Clean clean clean.

Thanks, that was the CSG bevelling exercize from hell.

> As far as the radiosity, looks a bit washed out.

I'm not sure what to do about that, the lantern is ambient 0 diffuse 1.
In fact I'm not even sure what you men by "washed out".
Any suggestions?

>  -Shay

Another thing I noticed almost as soon as I posted is that
the AA settings are way too low for the water (just +A0.3),
I'm experimenting with +A0.1 +AM2 +R4 etc.

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Pefect, and so beautifull



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> Following what seems to be a trend I'm also trying to get
> to grips with radiosity.
>
> It would be disingenious of me not to point out that the
> furthest backdrop of trees behind the far bank and reflected
> in the lake *is* a photo. Other than that it's all my own
> macros, textures and csg, uses Radiosity_OutdoorLQ and no
> conventional lighting.
>
> I'm not perfectly happy with it but I'm losing objectivity
> so please feel free to criticize.
>
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"Bill Hails" <bil### [at] europeyahoo-inccom> wrote in message
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| In fact I'm not even sure what you men by "washed out".

Low contrast. This picture http://tinyurl.com/3gs4e is similar to yours,
but the darker parts are darker and the lighter parts lighter.

| Any suggestions?

Sorry, not an area of knowledge for me.

 -Shay

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Bill Hails wrote:

Other than that it's all my own
> macros, textures and csg, uses Radiosity_OutdoorLQ and no
> conventional lighting.
> 
> I'm not perfectly happy with it but I'm losing objectivity
> so please feel free to criticize.
> 

Absolutely gorgeous.  I agree with everything said about the smoothness 
of the CSG.  Also, the front leaves.  They are your own macro?  I love 
their look.  It's perfect for this image.

Dave Matthews

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Remy Closset wrote:

> Pefect, and so beautifull
> 


Thanks.

I'm happy enough with the CSG for the lantern,
(though I might try taking out some random chunks
to simulate wear and tear), but everything else
is still a WIP, though I'm not sure where to go
from here yet.

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Dave Matthews wrote:

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> 
> Bill Hails wrote:
> 
> Other than that it's all my own
>> macros, textures and csg, uses Radiosity_OutdoorLQ and no
>> conventional lighting.
>> 
>> I'm not perfectly happy with it but I'm losing objectivity
>> so please feel free to criticize.
>> 
> 
> Absolutely gorgeous.  I agree with everything said about the smoothness
> of the CSG.  Also, the front leaves.  They are your own macro?  I love
> their look.  It's perfect for this image.
> 
> Dave Matthews

For the leaves I used the gimp to make 3 variant toned
png transparencies of a photo of a leaf and an edge-detect
on the same photo to create a bump-map. Then I used rotated
copies of those to texture a simple mesh2.

I've attached jpg thumbnails to illustrate.
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Bill Hails wrote:
> Following what seems to be a trend I'm also trying to get
> to grips with radiosity.
> 
> It would be disingenious of me not to point out that the
> furthest backdrop of trees behind the far bank and reflected
> in the lake *is* a photo. Other than that it's all my own
> macros, textures and csg, uses Radiosity_OutdoorLQ and no
> conventional lighting.

Your shadows are too soft.. you need a lower error_bound. Use a 
higher-quality radiosity setting, or lower it manually (less than .3 
should work well).

The photo doesn't quite blend with the render, but I'm not sure what 
would fix that short of modeling the background.

Nice picture, though, all the same. :o

-Xplo

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Xplo Eristotle wrote:

> Bill Hails wrote:
>> Following what seems to be a trend I'm also trying to get
>> to grips with radiosity.
>> 
>> It would be disingenious of me not to point out that the
>> furthest backdrop of trees behind the far bank and reflected
>> in the lake *is* a photo. Other than that it's all my own
>> macros, textures and csg, uses Radiosity_OutdoorLQ and no
>> conventional lighting.
> 
> Your shadows are too soft.. you need a lower error_bound. Use a
> higher-quality radiosity setting, or lower it manually (less than .3
> should work well).

Thanks, I'm re-reading the radiosity tutorial from the manual
and looking through rad_def.inc, probably Radiosity_OutdoorHQ
will fit the bill, but I have a high ambient white sphere just
out of shot to the left and may need to adjust for that.

> The photo doesn't quite blend with the render, but I'm not sure what
> would fix that short of modeling the background.

I have a separate photo just behind the camera to provide an
environment map, I've switched to use the same image as the
backdrop, that may help the blending.

I originally intended to model the whole scene, I still may
do that if this doesn't work out, but it's a lot of work for
something that's not really directly visible.

> Nice picture, though, all the same. :o

thanks.

> 
> -Xplo

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Bill Hails wrote:

> Dan P wrote:
> 
> 
>>My god, it is absolutely beautiful!!! That would make a great desktop!!!
>>Beautiful!!!!!!
>>
> Thanks!
> I used a photo from a book for reference, so again I can't claim
> originality in the set design. I can however heartily recommend
> the book for anyone wanting inspiration on all things Japanese:

It makes a great backdrop!

> "japanese detail: architecture" by Sadao Hibi, ISBN: 0811836754
> 
> Also after a quick image search it turns out that this particular
> kotoji is quite famous in Japan, it's in the Kenrokuen Park,
> Kanazawa, Ishikawa. I hope I'm not doing it a dis-service.

I think is it honoring it, like a mural does or a statue. Really nice 
work!!!

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Dan P
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Dan P wrote:

> Bill Hails wrote:
> 
>> Also after a quick image search it turns out that this particular
>> kotoji is quite famous in Japan, it's in the Kenrokuen Park,
>> Kanazawa, Ishikawa. I hope I'm not doing it a dis-service.
> 
> I think is it honoring it, like a mural does or a statue. Really nice
> work!!!
> 

Yeah, If I'd bothered to make the thing accurate :-)

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