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From: lieven ke
Subject: Re: A Glimpse of A Bigger World - take 3
Date: 16 Jun 2003 02:05:01
Message: <web.3eed5d32a5e60fa6a472d3920@news.povray.org>
Looks very nice Rune !
It reminds me of Magritte surealist paintings, specially the clouds and the
egg/eye.  Very nice !
http://images.google.fr/images?q=magritte+&svnum=20&hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=180&sa=N
What about an egg-shaped stone standing on the hills ?

Tommy


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From: Glen Berry
Subject: Re: A Glimpse of A Bigger World - take 3
Date: 16 Jun 2003 05:25:09
Message: <972revsse9un9pbqml0i45od1oqkpujhp2@4ax.com>
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:00:39 +0100, "Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom>
wrote:

>The hills look too far away, as if the egg must be on the edge of a cliff.
>Perhaps just put a few blades of grass around the base of the egg to suggest the
>ground it's sat on.

<message>

<rebuttal>
I don't agree. While it is easy to imagine that the "egg" is resting
on higher ground than much of its surrounding area, at least in the
direction this image is pointed, I don't get the feeling of a "cliff"
at all. Even if it were resting on a cliff--so what? What would be
wrong with that? 
</rebuttal>

<  :)  >
Must everything (especially if it is even remotely spherical in shape)
be resting firmly on a flat and level checkered plane, rendered in its
totality, with the utmost in sharpness and precision?
</  :)  >

<praise>
I like this image a lot. I think the perspective of the image is just
fine. I've seen lots of photographs that have a similar feel to them.
</praise>

<suggestion>
I do have one little suggestion. If you crop a little off the top of
this image, I think it draws more attention to the eye, and helps to
add to the feeling of isolation and disparity between the figure
inside the egg and its surroundings. I'm suggesting a modest amount of
cropping here. One should still be able to see some blue sky over the
top of the egg.
</suggestion>

<close>
later,
Glen Berry
</close>

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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: A Glimpse of A Bigger World - take 3
Date: 16 Jun 2003 09:49:54
Message: <3eedcb02$1@news.povray.org>
Keep in mind that for the moment,  I "need" T-shirts more than I need wall
decorations  when you upload this image to zazzle.com....


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: A Glimpse of A Bigger World - take 3
Date: 17 Jun 2003 11:52:59
Message: <3eef395b$1@news.povray.org>
"Rune" <run### [at] runevisioncom> wrote in message
news:3eebaf52@news.povray.org...

I think you nailed it with this version. Not only does this version give
a much better sense of "the world" than did your first version, this
version also has a very primordial feel, which seems appropriate for the
topic.

 -Shay


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: A Glimpse of A Bigger World - take 3
Date: 17 Jun 2003 18:31:45
Message: <3eef96d1@news.povray.org>
Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> Keep in mind that for the moment,  I "need"
> T-shirts more than I need wall decorations
> when you upload this image to zazzle.com....

Heh, thanks, I'll jeep it in mind, though I never thought of this image
as good t-shirt print potential... :)

Rune
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From: Rune
Subject: Re: A Glimpse of A Bigger World - take 3
Date: 17 Jun 2003 18:36:53
Message: <3eef9805$1@news.povray.org>
Shay wrote:
> I think you nailed it with this version. Not only
> does this version give a much better sense of
> "the world" than did your first version, this
> version also has a very primordial feel, which
> seems appropriate for the topic.

Thanks a lot. :)

Rune
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From: Rune
Subject: Re: A Glimpse of A Bigger World - take 3
Date: 17 Jun 2003 19:06:09
Message: <3eef9ee1$1@news.povray.org>
Glen Berry wrote:
> <praise>
> I like this image a lot. I think the perspective of
> the image is just fine. I've seen lots of photographs
> that have a similar feel to them.
> </praise>

Thanks for the praise. :)

> <suggestion>
> I do have one little suggestion. If you crop a little
> off the top of this image, I think it draws more
> attention to the eye, and helps to add to the feeling
> of isolation and disparity between the figure inside
> the egg and its surroundings. I'm suggesting a modest
> amount of cropping here. One should still be able to
> see some blue sky over the top of the egg.
> </suggestion>

I think you're right. It's funny how much cropping can change the
feeling of an image. In all the three versions posted I've already
cropped away the whole left side of the image, exactly to strengthen
that feeling you mention. I've attached the image in it's actual form as
rendered with POV-Ray, before cropping and post-processing.

However, I'm not sure how to handle the top part getting cropped. While
it will indeed add to the feeling you mention, it will also put the
hole/eye vertically in the center of the image instead of just below it,
and this will disturb the composition quite a lot I think. The only
potential solution I can see is to move the hole in the egg slightly
downwards. Maybe I will try that out... Thanks for the suggestion. :)

Rune
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From: Rune
Subject: Re: A Glimpse of A Bigger World - take 3
Date: 17 Jun 2003 19:10:42
Message: <3eef9ff2@news.povray.org>
lieven_ke wrote:
> Looks very nice Rune !

Thanks! :)

> What about an egg-shaped stone standing on the hills ?

Since my intention is to express something with this image, and not just
make it look nice, I don't want to place such a stone in the image (even
if it would look nice/interesting), because I wouldn't know what its
greater purpose would be, and thus it would only clutter the concept I
think.

Rune
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From: Glen Berry
Subject: Re: A Glimpse of A Bigger World - take 3
Date: 19 Jun 2003 07:50:44
Message: <2q73fvsgassooas8e4v0juee7i5e62tqfm@4ax.com>
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:06:05 +0200, "Rune" <run### [at] runevisioncom>
wrote:

>However, I'm not sure how to handle the top part getting cropped. While
>it will indeed add to the feeling you mention, it will also put the
>hole/eye vertically in the center of the image instead of just below it,
>and this will disturb the composition quite a lot I think. The only
>potential solution I can see is to move the hole in the egg slightly
>downwards. Maybe I will try that out... Thanks for the suggestion. :)

If you are worrying about violating some sort of "rules of
composition", then quit worrying. I would be more concerned about the
emotional impact of the image than any generic set of rules. Remember,
artistic "rules" are really only suggested starting points.

However, if you still feel the need to move the eye away from the
image's vertical center, I would suggest trying to move the eye
*above* the center, instead of below. One of the effects of my
cropping suggestion is the perceived elevating of the eye, in
comparison to the distant hills in the background. The change in
perceived elevation (perceived, not actual) increased the disparity
between the subject and its surroundings. 

If you elevate the eye hole within the egg itself, this would probably
accentuate this feeling even more. I also think it would look a little
more "natural" having the eye a little closer to the top of the egg.
Imagine yourself in such an egg enclosure, where would your eyes most
likely be inside the egg? Since your head is at the top of your body,
I doubt that your eyes would naturally tend to be near the middle of
the egg. It would make things even more cramped inside, if you had to
contort yourself to look out a hole that more comfortably coincided
with the placement of your ribs.   :)


later,
Glen Berry


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: A Glimpse of A Bigger World - take 3
Date: 19 Jun 2003 08:52:32
Message: <3ef1b210@news.povray.org>
Glen Berry wrote:
> If you are worrying about violating some sort of
> "rules of composition", then quit worrying.

I don't worry about "rules". But I tried your initial cropping
suggestion, and when I looked at it I found that the composition
suffered from it. It just looked wrong having the eye right in the
center...

> However, if you still feel the need to move the
> eye away from the image's vertical center, I
> would suggest trying to move the eye *above* the
> center, instead of below.

Hmm, I'll try that too... Thanks for the input!

Rune
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