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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 12:22:58
Message: <3d5fc9e2$1@news.povray.org>
Okay, you two just convinced me! I'll enter
Iced Land...

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Tim Nikias
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
Email: Tim### [at] gmxde
"William F. Pokorny" <pok### [at] attglobalnet> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> I agree!
>
> > I don't have much to offer on this except to say, I think you would be
doing
> > yourself a great injustice if you didn't also enter IcedLand. It's
better (at
> > least in theme ) IMHO.
>


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 12:27:23
Message: <3d5fcaeb$1@news.povray.org>
How about this:
He began writing the note, trashed it, added a sentence,
trashed it again, added the last note, threw pen away,
took pills while sobbing (thus the the few remaining pills,
he dropped them), put the glass on the note, so that it won't
fly away.
I wasn't too comfortable with the idea that he just writes his
note and leaves, so I made the paper wrinkled, as if he
was pondering about this a long time, even though some lines
were already written.
Perhaps if I'd made the first line a little more gray, rather
than black, it would appear to be older, bleached out,
and then everything would fit?

Simply put, I didn't want this image to be purely realistic,
but also a little desolate, untidy. The person is just lost
in chaos.
Its meant to be a little more expressionistic rather than 100%
realistic.

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Tim Nikias
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
Email: Tim### [at] gmxde
"William F. Pokorny" <pok### [at] attglobalnet> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Tim,
> I think the trouble is that the open pen, it's position and the ink
> spill lead us to think the note was written as the pills did their work.
> If so, why is the paper wrinkled?  The obvious explanation which remains
> is that the pill taker had been repeatedly wadding up and then unfolding
> a blank piece of paper.  I suppose somebody might do this, but I think
> it more likely the individual would be mentally thrashing over an
> already  written  note.
> Bill P.
>
> > The wrinkled paper was meant to convey that
> > the person who wrote the farewell had been
> > thinking about it sometime. Like taking the
> > note out of the trash-bin again after thinking
> > otherwise.
> >
> > And with the pills I'm not suggesting anything except
> > that he took pills to leave...
> >
> >
>


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From: Martin Magnusson
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 13:19:58
Message: <3D5FD737.3030603@frustratedhousewives.zzn.com>
One bit of criticism:
It's easy to tell that the person wrote the note with a word processor, 
and not that pen... All the o's look the same.

/ Martin


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From: Hugo
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 15:29:06
Message: <3d5ff582$1@news.povray.org>
> It's easy to tell that the person wrote the note with a word
> processor,  and not that pen... All the o's look the same.

What about the d's then?  No.. It's alright with me, as this is CG art.. But
I'm not convinced about the glass.. Even though you added water drops, which
is a nice touch.

Regards,
Hugo


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From: Batronyx
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 17:33:55
Message: <3d6012c3@news.povray.org>
Gald to hear/read it! :)


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From: Rafal 'Raf256' Maj
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 17:36:25
Message: <Xns926EEF83D785Araf256com@204.213.191.226>
"Tim Nikias" <tim### [at] gmxde> wrote in news:3d5faf04@news.povray.org

nice image, but some parts, especialy glass/water needs more antialias

-- 
#macro g(U,V)(.4*abs(sin(9*sqrt(pow(x-U,2)+pow(y-V,2))))*pow(1-min(1,(sqrt(
pow(x-U,2)+pow(y-V,2))*.3)),2)+.9)#end#macro p(c)#if(c>1)#local l=mod(c,100
);g(2*div(l,10)-8,2*mod(l,10)-8)*p(div(c,100))#else 1#end#end light_source{
y 2}sphere{z*20 9pigment{function{p(26252423)*p(36455644)*p(66656463)}}}//M


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From: Remco de Korte
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 19:13:31
Message: <3D6028B6.272E611E@onwijs.com>
Tim Nikias wrote:
> 
> How about this:
> He began writing the note, trashed it, added a sentence,
> trashed it again, added the last note, threw pen away,
> took pills while sobbing (thus the the few remaining pills,
> he dropped them), put the glass on the note, so that it won't
> fly away.
> I wasn't too comfortable with the idea that he just writes his
> note and leaves, so I made the paper wrinkled, as if he
> was pondering about this a long time, even though some lines
> were already written.
> Perhaps if I'd made the first line a little more gray, rather
> than black, it would appear to be older, bleached out,
> and then everything would fit?
> 
> Simply put, I didn't want this image to be purely realistic,
> but also a little desolate, untidy. The person is just lost
> in chaos.
> Its meant to be a little more expressionistic rather than 100%
> realistic.
> 


I didn't understand this from what I saw. Sorry, my fault.
Still, I'm not sure that it adds anything to the image, but
that's just my blurred view.

Perhaps I hadn't mentioned it, but I do like the image.

Cheers,

Remco


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From: =RAY=
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 18 Aug 2002 20:25:04
Message: <web.3d6039a7cbf17fcc264908380@news.povray.org>
>So, comments?
Yes, paper, once crumpled up never gets that flat again, the corners and
sides tend to roll up and it wouldn't be sitting that flat on the table.

Also, a tear on the paper could help with the mental image of the
person's thoughts.

=RAY=


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 20 Aug 2002 06:35:56
Message: <3d621b8c$1@news.povray.org>
> Perhaps I hadn't mentioned it, but I do like the image.

I gather that constructive criticism is mostly a point of view
which conveys that the overall image does look acceptable,
but that some minor/major changes might be of better effect.
Simply put: Thanks! :-)

> I didn't understand this from what I saw. Sorry, my fault.
> Still, I'm not sure that it adds anything to the image, but
> that's just my blurred view.

You know, art always has this problem that some are thinking:
What the f***!? (although you didn't sound THAT frustrated),
and there's always this issue about what the artist wants to
say vs. what a viewer thinks.
Nontheless, was a nice and short discussion, well on-topic, so
its all some just very human. :-)

Regards,

Tim

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Tim Nikias
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
Email: Tim### [at] gmxde

"Remco de Korte" <rem### [at] onwijscom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3D6028B6.272E611E@onwijs.com...
> Tim Nikias wrote:
> >
> > How about this:
> > He began writing the note, trashed it, added a sentence,
> > trashed it again, added the last note, threw pen away,
> > took pills while sobbing (thus the the few remaining pills,
> > he dropped them), put the glass on the note, so that it won't
> > fly away.
> > I wasn't too comfortable with the idea that he just writes his
> > note and leaves, so I made the paper wrinkled, as if he
> > was pondering about this a long time, even though some lines
> > were already written.
> > Perhaps if I'd made the first line a little more gray, rather
> > than black, it would appear to be older, bleached out,
> > and then everything would fit?
> >
> > Simply put, I didn't want this image to be purely realistic,
> > but also a little desolate, untidy. The person is just lost
> > in chaos.
> > Its meant to be a little more expressionistic rather than 100%
> > realistic.
> >
>
>
> I didn't understand this from what I saw. Sorry, my fault.
> Still, I'm not sure that it adds anything to the image, but
> that's just my blurred view.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Remco


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Too lonely - Loneliness (WIP)
Date: 20 Aug 2002 06:35:57
Message: <3d621b8d$1@news.povray.org>
So, I've just finished putting all things together, traced
the image once again (with larger Name-Imprint and
to get the actual rendering time: 6h + 2min + 54sec),
wrote the accompanying text-file and added a
PNG without the Name-Imprint (as someone with
the code would be able to trace it) to the ZIP.

I'll send it away along with my other image, when that
one is finished...

Regards,
Tim

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Tim Nikias
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
Email: Tim### [at] gmxde
"Batronyx" <bat### [at] alliancecablenet> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Gald to hear/read it! :)
>
>


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