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From: Mick Hazelgrove
Subject: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 08:50:12
Message: <3c822a14@news.povray.org>
Hi All

I've had just over 2 weeks to finish this for a bookcover which is why you'll
recognize some of it. Everything except the Poser
figures has been modelled in Rhino, all image maps by me. There's a lot of Post
processing, all the mist, stars and the symbol as
well as some gentle tinting of the background. There's rather a lot of space at the
top, that's for the title.

Mick


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From: Patrick Dugan
Subject: WOW!
Date: 3 Mar 2002 10:47:47
Message: <3c8245a3@news.povray.org>
Quite a stunning work!  I could swear its an oil painting.

"Mick Hazelgrove" <mic### [at] mhazelgrovefsnetcouk> wrote in message
news:3c822a14@news.povray.org...
> Hi All
>
> I've had just over 2 weeks to finish this for a bookcover which is why
you'll recognize some of it. Everything except the Poser
> figures has been modelled in Rhino, all image maps by me. There's a lot of
Post processing, all the mist, stars and the symbol as
> well as some gentle tinting of the background. There's rather a lot of
space at the top, that's for the title.
>
> Mick
>
>
>


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 11:38:45
Message: <3C825172.C34CAFD9@gmx.de>
Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I've had just over 2 weeks to finish this for a bookcover which is why you'll
recognize some of it. Everything except the Poser
> figures has been modelled in Rhino, all image maps by me. There's a lot of Post
processing, all the mist, stars and the symbol as
> well as some gentle tinting of the background. There's rather a lot of space at the
top, that's for the title.
> 

Nice, but in the very near foreground, where you look at the water from
nearly above, it should be more transparent and less reflective.  Do you
use fresnel reflection?

Christoph

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TransSkin and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/  
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From: Mick Hazelgrove
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 11:58:57
Message: <3c825651@news.povray.org>
"Christoph Hormann" wrote:
> Nice, but in the very near foreground, where you look at the water from
> nearly above, it should be more transparent and less reflective.  Do you
> use fresnel reflection?

No, not this time I wanted to keep the foreground water opaque. I was more
concernerned about the way in which the corners fall away
due I think to the 80 degree angle. Time has been the enemy here!

Mick


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 12:33:28
Message: <3C825E2B.55C0571E@gmx.de>
Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> No, not this time I wanted to keep the foreground water opaque. 

But you are aware that this is not realistic?

> I was more concernerned about the way in which the corners fall away
> due I think to the 80 degree angle. Time has been the enemy here!

Yes, that's typical for large angle perspective cameras, smaller angle and
more distant camera or a different camera type might have helped.

Christoph

-- 
POV-Ray tutorials, IsoWood include,                 
TransSkin and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/  
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From: Shay
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 12:55:34
Message: <3c826396$1@news.povray.org>
When I first saw this scene, I though, "not bad, poser models,
height-fields, typical stuff." Then I scrolled down to the bottom and saw
how the lilly pads set off the entire picture and thought, "Wow! Damn! this
guy is a MASTER of color and contrast!"

It was only after the energy of the colors in the scene grabbed my attention
that I took the time to notice the interesting details like the butterflies
and the nice stones on the coast. I want to see how color and font is used
in the title and hope that these elements work to the advantage of your
cover art.

 -Shay


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From: Mick Hazelgrove
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 12:56:45
Message: <3c8263dd@news.povray.org>
> But you are aware that this is not realistic?

Nor is the subject matter!

Frankly I'm not interested in using Pov to create realism only to create images that
satisfy me. I will only worry about realism
when it is important to the scene.

Mick


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From: Christopher James Huff
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 14:12:21
Message: <chrishuff-9C0171.14122303032002@netplex.aussie.org>
In article <3c825651@news.povray.org>,
 "Mick Hazelgrove" <mic### [at] mhazelgrovefsnetcouk> wrote:

> No, not this time I wanted to keep the foreground water opaque.

But it really doesn't look right this way...it looks more like a dull 
mercury than water, and the areas where the water covers the leaves look 
very strange. There are other ways to make the water more opaque without 
messing up the reflection. You could use media or attenuation to make 
the water murky...


> I was more concernerned about the way in which the corners fall away
> due I think to the 80 degree angle. Time has been the enemy here!

Maybe a different camera type would avoid this without messing with the 
image too much.

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Christopher James Huff <chr### [at] maccom>
POV-Ray TAG e-mail: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg
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From: Mick Hazelgrove
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 14:49:44
Message: <3c827e58@news.povray.org>
> But it really doesn't look right this way...it looks more like a dull
> mercury than water, and the areas where the water covers the leaves look
> very strange. There are other ways to make the water more opaque without
> messing up the reflection. You could use media or attenuation to make
> the water murky...


I have used both and I like the effect!

Mick


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 15:25:12
Message: <3C8286A2.1000709@aol.com>
Nice idea, beautifully realized.  Congrats on the bookcover gig.

Mick Hazelgrove wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> I've had just over 2 weeks to finish this for a bookcover which is why you'll
recognize some of it. Everything except the Poser
> figures has been modelled in Rhino, all image maps by me. There's a lot of Post
processing, all the mist, stars and the symbol as
> well as some gentle tinting of the background. There's rather a lot of space at the
top, that's for the title.
> 
> Mick
> 
> 
>


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