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From: Shay
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 12:55:34
Message: <3c826396$1@news.povray.org>
When I first saw this scene, I though, "not bad, poser models,
height-fields, typical stuff." Then I scrolled down to the bottom and saw
how the lilly pads set off the entire picture and thought, "Wow! Damn! this
guy is a MASTER of color and contrast!"

It was only after the energy of the colors in the scene grabbed my attention
that I took the time to notice the interesting details like the butterflies
and the nice stones on the coast. I want to see how color and font is used
in the title and hope that these elements work to the advantage of your
cover art.

 -Shay


"Mick Hazelgrove" <mic### [at] mhazelgrovefsnetcouk> wrote in message
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From: Mick Hazelgrove
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 12:56:45
Message: <3c8263dd@news.povray.org>
> But you are aware that this is not realistic?

Nor is the subject matter!

Frankly I'm not interested in using Pov to create realism only to create images that
satisfy me. I will only worry about realism
when it is important to the scene.

Mick


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From: Christopher James Huff
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 14:12:21
Message: <chrishuff-9C0171.14122303032002@netplex.aussie.org>
In article <3c825651@news.povray.org>,
 "Mick Hazelgrove" <mic### [at] mhazelgrovefsnetcouk> wrote:

> No, not this time I wanted to keep the foreground water opaque.

But it really doesn't look right this way...it looks more like a dull 
mercury than water, and the areas where the water covers the leaves look 
very strange. There are other ways to make the water more opaque without 
messing up the reflection. You could use media or attenuation to make 
the water murky...


> I was more concernerned about the way in which the corners fall away
> due I think to the 80 degree angle. Time has been the enemy here!

Maybe a different camera type would avoid this without messing with the 
image too much.

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From: Mick Hazelgrove
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 14:49:44
Message: <3c827e58@news.povray.org>
> But it really doesn't look right this way...it looks more like a dull
> mercury than water, and the areas where the water covers the leaves look
> very strange. There are other ways to make the water more opaque without
> messing up the reflection. You could use media or attenuation to make
> the water murky...


I have used both and I like the effect!

Mick


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 15:25:12
Message: <3C8286A2.1000709@aol.com>
Nice idea, beautifully realized.  Congrats on the bookcover gig.

Mick Hazelgrove wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> I've had just over 2 weeks to finish this for a bookcover which is why you'll
recognize some of it. Everything except the Poser
> figures has been modelled in Rhino, all image maps by me. There's a lot of Post
processing, all the mist, stars and the symbol as
> well as some gentle tinting of the background. There's rather a lot of space at the
top, that's for the title.
> 
> Mick
> 
> 
>


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From: andrel linnenbank
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 15:38:11
Message: <3C828924.6A386A3A@amc.uva.nl>
Like you, also prefer images that may be little bit
too sharp and saturated to be totally realistic but appeal 
to the viewer, so I like this a lot.

Two questions:
- what will be the dimensions of the book. It is not 
a standard paperback, but you said the space for the title 
(and author ?) are in the image. What kind of book will it
be?
- I do not recognize the texture on the earth figure, nor
on the snake. On the snake it even looks like fishes as
texture but that would not fit the earth theme (i think).

	Andrel

Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I've had just over 2 weeks to finish this for a bookcover which is why you'll
recognize some of it. Everything except the Poser
> figures has been modelled in Rhino, all image maps by me. There's a lot of Post
processing, all the mist, stars and the symbol as
> well as some gentle tinting of the background. There's rather a lot of space at the
top, that's for the title.
> 
> Mick
> 
>  [Image]


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From: Mick Hazelgrove
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 17:07:20
Message: <3c829e98@news.povray.org>
> Two questions:
> - what will be the dimensions of the book. It is not
> a standard paperback, but you said the space for the title
> (and author ?) are in the image. What kind of book will it
> be?

It's a book on magic published in Brazil. The dimensions, 15cmx21cm, are unusual.
The title fits at the top.

> - I do not recognize the texture on the earth figure, nor
> on the snake. On the snake it even looks like fishes as
> texture but that would not fit the earth theme (i think).

I must admit, if I had more time I would spend a lot more effort on the earth figure(
I was trying for a cracked earth texture) and
the snake. There is some typical Poser stretching of the snake image map and looking
at it again too much specular.

Mick


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 17:56:55
Message: <3c82aa37@news.povray.org>
It's a really great image! I find absolutely nothing wrong with the water.
But as other have said the Earth figure could be improved.

Obviously a lot of work was put into the composition. :)

Rune
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From: Ahmet Oktar
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 3 Mar 2002 20:14:58
Message: <3c82ca92$1@news.povray.org>
very cool image:) beatiful!!
can you send bigger version?


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From: Mick Hazelgrove
Subject: Re: 4Elements
Date: 4 Mar 2002 02:12:27
Message: <3c831e5b@news.povray.org>
"Ahmet Oktar" wrote:
> very cool image:) beatiful!!

Thanks

> can you send bigger version?

I'll put one on my website tonight.

Mick


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