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From: Xilo Musimene
Subject: GL SkySphere
Date: 15 May 2003 07:39:42
Message: <3EC37C7A.5070606@hotpop.com>
Hi,
   I rendered a spherical texture for an OpenGL program, I wanted to see 
if the perspective would be all right when applied to a sphere in OpenGL.

The povray object is a cube with cylinders at the edges.

You can see that the perspective is pretty right, since the 3 lines are 
straight (jaggy but straight).

As for the jaggyness, this is due to the fact that the image is placed 
on many triangles which deform the texture to make it fit...

To get rid of the jaggyness I have 3 choices:
   -Pre-deform the texture so it looks correct when deformed (This is 
probably the most stupid way)
   -Add a whole lot more polygons until we can't see the deformation 
(This would be a good idea but would take a lot of time to render)
   -Try Rohan Bernett's idea to map the SkySphere texture on a cube.
I will try the latter...


First image is a sphere mapped with my skysphere texture in POV-Ray.
Second image is a sphere mapped with my skysphere texture in OpenGL.
Note that angles of camera differ...

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From: Warp
Subject: My GL SkySphere (~120kbu) (Was: GL SkySphere)
Date: 15 May 2003 11:01:38
Message: <3ec3abd0@news.povray.org>
Here are snapshots of my school project, where I used this exact same
technique.
  The first image is the actual environment map rendered with POV-Ray.
The next four images are snapshots from the OpenGL program.


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: My GL SkySphere (~120kbu) (Was: GL SkySphere)
Date: 15 May 2003 14:11:15
Message: <3EC3D841.7E0E3E94@gmx.de>
Warp wrote:
> 
>   Here are snapshots of my school project, where I used this exact same
> technique.
>   The first image is the actual environment map rendered with POV-Ray.
> The next four images are snapshots from the OpenGL program.

I suppose your system does not use high dynamic range image data.  In this
situation this would be a good idea (not sure if and how this could be
handled in OpenGL though).

Christoph

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My GL SkySphere (~120kbu)
Date: 15 May 2003 17:17:06
Message: <3ec403d2@news.povray.org>
Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> I suppose your system does not use high dynamic range image data.  In this
> situation this would be a good idea (not sure if and how this could be
> handled in OpenGL though).

  I don't understand what would be the use.
  AFAIK HDRI data have only effect on reflections and global illumination.
No such things are used in the OpenGL program. When you look directly
to an unmodified HDRI image, you don't see any difference between it
and a regular image, and that's basically what is seen in the OpenGL
program: The environment map itself.

-- 
#macro N(D)#if(D>99)cylinder{M()#local D=div(D,104);M().5,2pigment{rgb M()}}
N(D)#end#end#macro M()<mod(D,13)-6mod(div(D,13)8)-3,10>#end blob{
N(11117333955)N(4254934330)N(3900569407)N(7382340)N(3358)N(970)}//  - Warp -


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From: Xilo Musimene
Subject: Re: My GL SkySphere (~120kbu) (Was: GL SkySphere)
Date: 16 May 2003 04:36:28
Message: <3EC4A315.7030203@hotpop.com>
>   Here are snapshots of my school project, where I used this exact same
> technique.
>   The first image is the actual environment map rendered with POV-Ray.
> The next four images are snapshots from the OpenGL program.

Very...  Impressive!


I've read your code and you seem to have only 16^2 polygons for your 
skySphere, am I right?  Well, I have 10^2, it might explain the 
jaggyness, but I do believe my code is not as optimal as yours! =)

I'm also afraid, I don't understand much of too-much-3D-geometry!  Would 
you let me use the function you wrote in my program, so I can show you 
how I can make its use look much much more intense?

I'm currently writting a little EyeCandy program, it's much like a 
screensaver, and the story goes like this:  Feel the Explorer in the 
Need for Speed!  Two of which are two of the many symbols of a human mind.

Currenlty, I'd say I'm 40% done with this, if I could use your code for 
the skysphere, I would jump to 60%.

Warp, do you agree?

Xilo

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From: Xilo Musimene
Subject: Re: My GL SkySphere (~120kbu)
Date: 16 May 2003 04:38:12
Message: <3EC4A37B.1030305@hotpop.com>
>   I don't understand what would be the use.
>   AFAIK HDRI data have only effect on reflections and global illumination.
> No such things are used in the OpenGL program. When you look directly
> to an unmodified HDRI image, you don't see any difference between it
> and a regular image, and that's basically what is seen in the OpenGL
> program: The environment map itself.
> 

Hey, why don't we build an OpenGL game completely stuffed with povray 
textures! =)

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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: My GL SkySphere (~120kbu)
Date: 16 May 2003 06:44:43
Message: <3EC4C11B.FF448807@gmx.de>
Warp wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>   I don't understand what would be the use.
>   AFAIK HDRI data have only effect on reflections and global illumination.
> No such things are used in the OpenGL program. When you look directly
> to an unmodified HDRI image, you don't see any difference between it
> and a regular image, and that's basically what is seen in the OpenGL
> program: The environment map itself.

But there is reflection in your OpenGL images - surely faked somehow but
that's not the point.  

Christoph

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HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My GL SkySphere (~120kbu)
Date: 16 May 2003 08:11:08
Message: <3ec4d55b@news.povray.org>
Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> But there is reflection in your OpenGL images

  Where?

-- 
plane{-x+y,-1pigment{bozo color_map{[0rgb x][1rgb x+y]}turbulence 1}}
sphere{0,2pigment{rgbt 1}interior{media{emission 1density{spherical
density_map{[0rgb 0][.5rgb<1,.5>][1rgb 1]}turbulence.9}}}scale
<1,1,3>hollow}text{ttf"timrom""Warp".1,0translate<-1,-.1,2>}//  - Warp -


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My GL SkySphere (~120kbu)
Date: 16 May 2003 08:12:07
Message: <3ec4d596@news.povray.org>
Xilo Musimene <xil### [at] hotpopcom> wrote:
> I'm also afraid, I don't understand much of too-much-3D-geometry!  Would 
> you let me use the function you wrote in my program, so I can show you 
> how I can make its use look much much more intense?

  If I didn't want you to use my code, I wouldn't have posted it in the
first place (I would have just said what I did).

-- 
#macro M(A,N,D,L)plane{-z,-9pigment{mandel L*9translate N color_map{[0rgb x]
[1rgb 9]}scale<D,D*3D>*1e3}rotate y*A*8}#end M(-3<1.206434.28623>70,7)M(
-1<.7438.1795>1,20)M(1<.77595.13699>30,20)M(3<.75923.07145>80,99)// - Warp -


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: My GL SkySphere (~120kbu)
Date: 16 May 2003 08:29:44
Message: <3EC4D9B7.8C10CA48@gmx.de>
Warp wrote:
> 
> Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> > But there is reflection in your OpenGL images
> 
>   Where?

You mean the water is only the environment map?

In that case view 3 of your OpenGL samples will just look horrible in an
animation...

Christoph

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