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In article <3b9cc91d@news.povray.org>, ben### [at] catholic org says...
> > My ..., how can you criticize an image like this, Tony? It is really
> > more realistic than I think I have ever seen made in POVRay, except a
> > few, of course :)
> >
> > It is fantastic!
>
> I agree, but you can still see that it's CG, and I'm trying to get people to
> think about why it does.
>
Then explain to me how you see/feel that it is CG and not RL! If that
should be only the reflections, I could imagine a surrounding that
causes just that reflection. If it is too perfect: masters of
glassblowing certainly very nearly approachef perfection, certainly in
modern times. Or you have something else perhaps that points it out.
To me it is just very RL :-) I wish I could make anything like it...
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Regards,
Sander
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"Sander" <san### [at] stolscom> wrote :
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> To me it is just very RL :-)
My lovely wife, who just happened to walk by while I was looking at it,
said, "Nice photo". Sometimes I think we are too picky.
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I only worked on this one day and wanted to see if it would
be a cool demo scene. Seems like it is.
I can probably make it look more real but it's going to be challenge
to keep the render time down.
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Kari Kivisalo
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> Then explain to me how you see/feel that it is CG and not RL! If that
> should be only the reflections, I could imagine a surrounding that
> causes just that reflection. If it is too perfect: masters of
> glassblowing certainly very nearly approachef perfection, certainly in
> modern times. Or you have something else perhaps that points it out.
Like I think I said before, I'm not saying it isn't nearly perfect, but
something in my brain wispers "CG" to me. The thing that sticks out the most
is the lack of the reflection of the cameraperson. And something about the
background or the focal blur just isn't right. I can't exactly say what, but
I feel it. :)
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in news:3b9d1abc@news.povray.org Tony[B] wrote:
> The thing that sticks out the most
> is the lack of the reflection of the cameraperson.
When I do things like this in the studio, I try everything to no be in
the image.
> And something about the background or the focal blur just isn't
> right.
Although the focal blur is not wrong, this is the kind of image where I
would adjust the plane of focus to be parallel with the vases and not
with the film-plane.
Ingo
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Photography: http://members.home.nl/ingoogni/
Pov-Ray : http://members.home.nl/seed7/
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I would like to see the image without focal blur.
I think that scenes like this should go in the POV distribution.
Excellent work.
Regards, Alberto.
Kari Kivisalo wrote:
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> I only worked on this one day and wanted to see if it would
> be a cool demo scene. Seems like it is.
>
> I can probably make it look more real but it's going to be challenge
> to keep the render time down.
>
> _____________
> Kari Kivisalo
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> Like I think I said before, I'm not saying it isn't nearly perfect, but
> something in my brain wispers "CG" to me. The thing that sticks out the
most
> is the lack of the reflection of the cameraperson. And something about the
> background or the focal blur just isn't right. I can't exactly say what,
but
> I feel it. :)
I guess I'll come to your defence:-) I too feel that it still looks a bit
rendered. I think it has to do with the focal blur in the background the
fuzzy edge of the table doesn't look quite right. But otherwise it is the
best glass I have ever scene.
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"Thomas Lake" wrote
: I guess I'll come to your defence:-) I too feel that it still looks a bit
: rendered. I think it has to do with the focal blur in the background the
: fuzzy edge of the table doesn't look quite right. But otherwise it is the
: best glass I have ever scene.
:
I think you hit it, Thomas ... of course, in RL, we don't notice the
focal blur ... our eyes adjust and bring each section we view in focus.
But it seems even too much for a photograph, exp with the scene being
as bright as it is. You would expect to have a high f-stop and a large
depth-of-field. That's what gives me that "feeling" that Tony talks of.
Having said that .... it's beautiful !!!!!
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Y
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> > Like I think I said before, I'm not saying it isn't nearly perfect, but
> > something in my brain wispers "CG" to me. The thing that sticks out the
> most
> > is the lack of the reflection of the cameraperson. And something about the
> > background or the focal blur just isn't right. I can't exactly say what,
> but
> > I feel it. :)
>
> I guess I'll come to your defence:-) I too feel that it still looks a bit
> rendered. I think it has to do with the focal blur in the background the
> fuzzy edge of the table doesn't look quite right. But otherwise it is the
> best glass I have ever scene.
Hmmm... I've done some RL test here, and seems to mee that refractions
on the glass do not shows focal blur, at least in direct vision (don't
know in a photo). That, of course, doesn't means this is not a great
demo scene (which is his purpose, isn't?).
--
Jaime Vives Piqueres
La Persistencia de la Ignorancia
http://www.ignorancia.org/
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in news:3b9d52c3@news.povray.org Y wrote:
> But it seems even too much for a photograph, exp with the scene being
> as bright as it is.
You're comparing with small film camera's, for large film 8"x10" you
can very well have this depth of field.
Ingo
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Photography: http://members.home.nl/ingoogni/
Pov-Ray : http://members.home.nl/seed7/
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