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From: Peter Warren
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 07:44:21
Message: <389ebe25@news.povray.org>
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David Fontaine wrote in message <389DFAE4.7A1A492A@faricy.net>...
>I know, but that is what HIV does to people...
so does the flu. Your point being...
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From: Peter Warren
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 07:53:47
Message: <389ec05b@news.povray.org>
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>I never deleted the
>Unused textures so not really sure what all colors are in it
All in all I think you did a very good job.
Too bad your image went unnoticed.:)
Thanks,
Peter Warren
war### [at] hotmail com
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Peter Warren wrote:
> David Fontaine wrote in message <389DFAE4.7A1A492A@faricy.net>...
> >I know, but that is what HIV does to people...
> so does the flu. Your point being...
Does the flu permanently sabatoges your immune system?
Is it a retrovirus? (no reall y I am asking)
because HIV targets your T-20 cells or whatever and it's a retrovirus so
its genetic code constantly changes and that is why they cannot make a
vaccine
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:26:41 -0500, Psychomek
<psy### [at] cyberhighwaynet> wrote:
>Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
>Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
Terrence Is Not Deaf / There's No Need To Shout
:)
A nice molecule. Ditto to the anaglyph. Oh, and put some global media
(scattering type 3) and a light_source behing the thing. j/k :)
Peter Popov
pet### [at] usanet
ICQ: 15002700
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Well the fact the it mutates does make it harder to make a vaccine for AIDS.
But the main reason is that what we normally consider a vaccine depends on
you have a healthy immune system. Usually the inject a weakened strain or
dead viruses into your body. Then your immune system recognizes the virus
and produces an immune reaction and antibodies. Next time you get the virus
your body has the antibodies to recognize and fight it off. This is not
possible for HIV because of its vary nature. It hides away from the immune
system so you never develop immunity to it. I believe current vaccine work
is being done on trying to block the proteins the virus uses to enter a
humans cells. This is quite different from a normal vaccine.
David Fontaine wrote:
> Peter Warren wrote:
>
> > David Fontaine wrote in message <389DFAE4.7A1A492A@faricy.net>...
> > >I know, but that is what HIV does to people...
> > so does the flu. Your point being...
>
> Does the flu permanently sabatoges your immune system?
> Is it a retrovirus? (no reall y I am asking)
> because HIV targets your T-20 cells or whatever and it's a retrovirus so
> its genetic code constantly changes and that is why they cannot make a
> vaccine
>
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Thomas Lake wrote:
> Well the fact the it mutates does make it harder to make a vaccine for AIDS.
> But the main reason is that what we normally consider a vaccine depends on
> you have a healthy immune system. Usually the inject a weakened strain or
> dead viruses into your body. Then your immune system recognizes the virus
> and produces an immune reaction and antibodies. Next time you get the virus
> your body has the antibodies to recognize and fight it off. This is not
> possible for HIV because of its vary nature. It hides away from the immune
> system so you never develop immunity to it.
They cannot inject dead viruses, and viruses cannot hide, because viruses are
not alive ;-)
> I believe current vaccine work
> is being done on trying to block the proteins the virus uses to enter a
> humans cells. This is quite different from a normal vaccine.
Yes, that is what's being done now.
As for the RNA being the reason why they can't make a normal vaccine; my biology
teacher told me that so it could easily be wrong.
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A lot of differing views as to weather viruses are alive I don't think you could
come to any conclusion if you asked a number of biology teachers. Viruses have DNA
or RNA and are able to reproduce, though they need a host cell. they also follow all
of the rules for evolution so I think they are alive, though only in the most basic
of definitions. they are able to weaken them breading successive generations of them
together, all the interbreeding weakens them. And they can kill them with radiation.
David Fontaine wrote:
> Thomas Lake wrote:
>
> > Well the fact the it mutates does make it harder to make a vaccine for AIDS.
> > But the main reason is that what we normally consider a vaccine depends on
> > you have a healthy immune system. Usually the inject a weakened strain or
> > dead viruses into your body. Then your immune system recognizes the virus
> > and produces an immune reaction and antibodies. Next time you get the virus
> > your body has the antibodies to recognize and fight it off. This is not
> > possible for HIV because of its vary nature. It hides away from the immune
> > system so you never develop immunity to it.
>
> They cannot inject dead viruses, and viruses cannot hide, because viruses are
> not alive ;-)
>
> > I believe current vaccine work
> > is being done on trying to block the proteins the virus uses to enter a
> > humans cells. This is quite different from a normal vaccine.
>
> Yes, that is what's being done now.
> As for the RNA being the reason why they can't make a normal vaccine; my biology
> teacher told me that so it could easily be wrong.
>
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> | \ |_ <dav### [at] faricynet> <ICQ 55354965>
> |_/avid |ontaine http://www.faricy.net/~davidf/
>
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Generally a live virus is considered to be able to initiate a complete
infection in the right host, while a weakened or 'dead' virus provokes a
immunological reaction mainly, is what I think I remember. Whether it's
alive is really not an interesting issue.
Have a look at http://www.xs4all.nl/~wgods/: here an old colleague of mine
vents his opinion on HIV...
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Sander
Thomas Lake <tla### [at] homecom> schreef in berichtnieuws
389EFDFA.CE06EF7E@home.com...
> A lot of differing views as to weather viruses are alive I don't think you
could
> come to any conclusion if you asked a number of biology teachers. Viruses
have DNA
> or RNA and are able to reproduce, though they need a host cell. they also
follow all
> of the rules for evolution so I think they are alive, though only in the
most basic
> of definitions. they are able to weaken them breading successive
generations of them
> together, all the interbreeding weakens them. And they can kill them with
radiation.
>
> David Fontaine wrote:
>
> > Thomas Lake wrote:
> >
> > > Well the fact the it mutates does make it harder to make a vaccine for
AIDS.
> > > But the main reason is that what we normally consider a vaccine
depends on
> > > you have a healthy immune system. Usually the inject a weakened strain
or
> > > dead viruses into your body. Then your immune system recognizes the
virus
> > > and produces an immune reaction and antibodies. Next time you get the
virus
> > > your body has the antibodies to recognize and fight it off. This is
not
> > > possible for HIV because of its vary nature. It hides away from the
immune
> > > system so you never develop immunity to it.
> >
> > They cannot inject dead viruses, and viruses cannot hide, because
viruses are
> > not alive ;-)
> >
> > > I believe current vaccine work
> > > is being done on trying to block the proteins the virus uses to enter
a
> > > humans cells. This is quite different from a normal vaccine.
> >
> > Yes, that is what's being done now.
> > As for the RNA being the reason why they can't make a normal vaccine; my
biology
> > teacher told me that so it could easily be wrong.
> >
> > --
> > ___ ______________________________________________________
> > | \ |_ <dav### [at] faricynet> <ICQ 55354965>
> > |_/avid |ontaine http://www.faricy.net/~davidf/
> >
> > "Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come" -Beatles
>
> --
> Come visit my web site:-) : http://www.geocities.com/~thomaslake/
>
>
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Sorry: I should have added: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wgods/ and look up 'The
Moronic Majority', chapter 'The condom conspiracy'.
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Regards,
Sander
Thomas Lake <tla### [at] homecom> schreef in berichtnieuws
389EFDFA.CE06EF7E@home.com...
> A lot of differing views as to weather viruses are alive I don't think you
could
> come to any conclusion if you asked a number of biology teachers. Viruses
have DNA
> or RNA and are able to reproduce, though they need a host cell. they also
follow all
> of the rules for evolution so I think they are alive, though only in the
most basic
> of definitions. they are able to weaken them breading successive
generations of them
> together, all the interbreeding weakens them. And they can kill them with
radiation.
>
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Sander wrote:
> Generally a live virus is considered to be able to initiate a complete
> infection in the right host, while a weakened or 'dead' virus provokes a
> immunological reaction mainly, is what I think I remember. Whether it's
> alive is really not an interesting issue.
I know, I just thought I'd bring it up and see what people said :-)
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