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From: Bryan Valencia
Subject: Re: Aftermath of a Space Battle
Date: 1 Apr 1999 23:57:23
Message: <37044E13.1A7BB3CF@gte.net>
Surely someone MUST have a comment other than that it's a GIF!  I worked
forever on that thing!

Anthony Bennett wrote:

> Why did you post in gif? A jpeg is smaller for most rendered images.

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From: bankspad
Subject: Re: Aftermath of a Space Battle
Date: 2 Apr 1999 02:02:11
Message: <370467BD.42C3822D@pacbell.net>
Actually I do ;-]
This image does an incredible job of expressing both SIZE and s p a c e. How
did you make the smoke clouds? I spent quite a while studying your image,
getting a feel for all that's in it and trying to catch all the details -
wow! a lot of time and imagination must have gone into that; Good Job. I
have one comment and one suggestion:
That highlight on the metalic band of the station's dome - is there any way
you can break it up? It's hard to believe that something that size would
have an undisturbed band of metal all around it, like it was cast from a
single mold. Rather, I think it would be many panels - which would then
disturb a clean highlight.
The other thing - There is so much going on here it seems that it would be
easy to extract a story out of it. Maybe a gallery website that tells the
story, supported with a series of images based on the station and the
world(s) and people(s) involved?
Well, that's my change for a nickle ;-]
KB-

Bryan Valencia wrote:

> Surely someone MUST have a comment other than that it's a GIF!  I worked
> forever on that thing!
>
> Anthony Bennett wrote:
>
> > Why did you post in gif? A jpeg is smaller for most rendered images.
>
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From: Juha Leppälä
Subject: Re: Aftermath of a Space Battle
Date: 2 Apr 1999 13:47:02
Message: <370510B9.AC4BFAA2@kolumbus.fi>
Bryan Valencia wrote:
> 
> Surely someone MUST have a comment other than that it's a GIF!  I worked
> forever on that thing!
> 
> Anthony Bennett wrote:
> 
> > Why did you post in gif? A jpeg is smaller for most rendered images.
> 
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Um, I haven't even seen the picture :P



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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Aftermath of a Space Battle
Date: 2 Apr 1999 18:28:45
Message: <37055288.884DED5A@aol.com>
Those spacecrafts are scattered pretty chaoticly.
It took me a while to see any structure to them, aparently more detailed
than when first seen. In fact I first thought they were explosion debri
pieces. I got real close to the monitor and saw there is a fractal-like
pattern on them as well as the usual cockpit window and wings. These old
eyes aren't up to scrutinizing things on-screen. I wear glasses (since
high school) and never wear them indoors out of habit (you wouldn't
believe how bad TV looks to me, just last night I wore glasses and
realized everyone on TV has eyes. I'm dumb, I know...). So I can't see
perfectly well from as little as only 2 or 3 feet, my seat distance from
this monitor.
Looks like you have a ocean jellyfish type space station, if I were you
I'd lose the image_map for that dome part, or at least make it a
bump_map. But then I'm not you, am I? It just looks way to flat to me.


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From: Bryan Valencia
Subject: Re: Aftermath of a Space Battle
Date: 6 Apr 1999 14:24:28
Message: <370A42B2.723B12AA@209software.com>
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<html>
Thanks for the critique.   As for size, I did that with SIZE. 
That planet has a raduis of 1e6, and that space station is 1000 high. 
The small ships are about 5 units long.
<p>There is no smoke, I think that effect is being created by radiosity.
<p>Metal Band - Actually they ARE small panels.  I placed randomly
tall boxes every 1 degree hanging from the base of  "half dome". 
They are the standard "Brushed_Aluminum" texture.  I intended to have
them play some of the light from the 'bays' in the lower section back on
to the station via radiosity, but they just don't.
<p>Story: There is a story... Its about a pilot who wakes up from cryo
sleep after 3 months flight to find the outpost he is approaching has been
destroyed. This space station is the space borne part of a mining operation
on the planet surface.
<p>bankspad wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Actually I do ;-]
<br>This image does an incredible job of expressing both SIZE and s p a
c e. How
<br>did you make the smoke clouds? I spent quite a while studying your
image,
<br>getting a feel for all that's in it and trying to catch all the details
-
<br>wow! a lot of time and imagination must have gone into that; Good Job.
I
<br>have one comment and one suggestion:
<br>That highlight on the metalic band of the station's dome - is there
any way
<br>you can break it up? It's hard to believe that something that size
would
<br>have an undisturbed band of metal all around it, like it was cast from
a
<br>single mold. Rather, I think it would be many panels - which would
then
<br>disturb a clean highlight.
<br>The other thing - There is so much going on here it seems that it would
be
<br>easy to extract a story out of it. Maybe a gallery website that tells
the
<br>story, supported with a series of images based on the station and the
<br>world(s) and people(s) involved?
<br>Well, that's my change for a nickle ;-]
<br>KB-</blockquote>

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From: Bryan Valencia
Subject: Re: Aftermath of a Space Battle
Date: 6 Apr 1999 14:28:50
Message: <370A43B8.C0A6FBCA@209software.com>
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<p>Bob Hughes wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Those spacecrafts are scattered pretty chaoticly.</blockquote>
Yes, I used RANDOM to do it.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> 
<br>It took me a while to see any structure to them, aparently more detailed
<br>than when first seen. In fact I first thought they were explosion debri
<br>pieces. I got real close to the monitor and saw there is a fractal-like
<br>pattern on them as well as the usual cockpit window and wings.</blockquote>
The coppery Skin is a metal texture, and I modified the Rusty_Iron(?) texture
to overlay on it.  I hate perfectly clean spacecraft.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Looks like you have a ocean jellyfish type space
station, if I were you
<br>I'd lose the image_map for that dome part, or at least make it a
<br>bump_map. But then I'm not you, am I? It just looks way to flat to
me.
<br> </blockquote>
But that's a great idea.  I was originally planning to put millions
of small detail objects on the surface.  I may still.  but converting
to a bump map may do the trick.
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From: Bryan Valencia
Subject: Re: Aftermath of a Space Battle
Date: 7 Apr 1999 12:55:56
Message: <370B7FE9.191FA1D3@gte.net>
http://www.209software.com/pov.html  <---higher res image is here

Ok, Get your glasses out.


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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Aftermath of a Space Battle
Date: 7 Apr 1999 15:17:23
Message: <370B55C3.5916810D@ndirect.co.uk>
This is one BIG image and a lot to take in, I keep going back to it to
have another look.

One question: the dangley down bits that make it look like a squid
(Squid of Dispair ;) ), or a jelly fish, are they a functional part of
the station or just for decoration?

Maybe you could argue that they are a futureistic metalick array that
drops down when under attack so as to disrupt the radar systems of enemy
ships.

Cheers
Steve 

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From: Bryan Valencia
Subject: Re: Aftermath of a Space Battle
Date: 7 Apr 1999 16:46:01
Message: <370BB55C.4A8123FB@209software.com>
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The black and yellow dropdowns are actually inverted buildings, like offices
for the different corporations that lease space on the station.  The
original intent here is to replace each of these with individually styled
buildings, each with their own characteristics.
<p>The comb-like things are the sensor/communications array.
<p>The dome part is contains all the engines/powerplants and other necessary
equipment, and houses the inhabitants.
<br>The conic section with all the bays is the 'spaceport' section. 
there are many military, freight and passenger bays, and some that are
permanently leased to corporations.
<p>This is not a military base, it is a colony.  This is why is has
somehow been rendered defenseless so completely.
<br> 
<p>Steve wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>This is one BIG image and a lot to take in, I keep
going back to it to
<br>have another look.
<p>One question: the dangley down bits that make it look like a squid
<br>(Squid of Dispair ;) ), or a jelly fish, are they a functional part
of
<br>the station or just for decoration?
<p>Maybe you could argue that they are a futureistic metalick array that
<br>drops down when under attack so as to disrupt the radar systems of
enemy
<br>ships.
<p>Cheers
<br>Steve
<p>Bryan Valencia wrote:
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From: Spider
Subject: Re: Aftermath of a Space Battle
Date: 7 Apr 1999 16:58:39
Message: <370BB7F9.13315C09@bahnhof.se>
It looks great :-)

lots of detail.. good planets.


Bryan Valencia wrote:
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> http://www.209software.com/pov.html  <---higher res image is here
> 
> Ok, Get your glasses out.
> 
> --
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> Software Services
> Software Services Home Page  http://www.209software.com
> Pascal for Delphi Programmers  http://www.209software.com/p4dp/Book.html
> 
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