On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:43:41 -0400, Alain <aze### [at] qwertyorg> wrote:


>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:49:13 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A New Pose
>> 
>
>It looks ready to play. The ears are straight up.
>
>

I've not had a dog for over 30 years :(
The modle is based on a cat's body and I think it shows a bit.
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     Stephen

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Stephen wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:54:52 +0300, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> 
>>  I think it's leaning too much back. Predators lean more forward when
>> they are ready to attack. That looks like an overly defensive posture,
>> if not even scared.
> 
> Sorry the photo you linked to showed a dog crouching. I thought that was you
> wanted.

  It is what I wanted. Compare the legs of the dog in the photo and the
legs in your fox image. The fox is almost laying down, rather than
crouching, ready to attack.

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> > A New Pose
>
>   Hmm, still somehow lacks the same feeling as that dog photo:
>
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DvFc1bix9Rs/Rc9tP2jUsLI/AAAAAAAAAB0/dzDVQFV7e9g/s320/dog+2.jpg

The dog is alert, but not in attack posture.  The key is largely the ears:
forward for calm, out to the sides for alert, and flattened back for
aggressive.  Anyway, those are nifty models!  Are they yours?  If so, are you
considering adding them to the object collection?


-Reactor

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Reactor wrote:
> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> A New Pose
>>   Hmm, still somehow lacks the same feeling as that dog photo:
>>
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DvFc1bix9Rs/Rc9tP2jUsLI/AAAAAAAAAB0/dzDVQFV7e9g/s320/dog+2.jpg
> 
> The dog is alert, but not in attack posture.  The key is largely the ears:
> forward for calm, out to the sides for alert, and flattened back for
> aggressive.

  The posture in the photo would work great for the image I have in mind.

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On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:38:26 +0300, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:54:52 +0300, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> 
>>>  I think it's leaning too much back. Predators lean more forward when
>>> they are ready to attack. That looks like an overly defensive posture,
>>> if not even scared.
>> 
>> Sorry the photo you linked to showed a dog crouching. I thought that was you
>> wanted.
>
>  It is what I wanted. Compare the legs of the dog in the photo and the
>legs in your fox image. The fox is almost laying down, rather than
>crouching, ready to attack.

We continue :)
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     Stephen

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On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:41:14 EDT, "Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

>Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
>> > A New Pose
>>
>>   Hmm, still somehow lacks the same feeling as that dog photo:
>>
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DvFc1bix9Rs/Rc9tP2jUsLI/AAAAAAAAAB0/dzDVQFV7e9g/s320/dog+2.jpg
>
>The dog is alert, but not in attack posture.  The key is largely the ears:
>forward for calm, out to the sides for alert, and flattened back for
>aggressive.  Anyway, those are nifty models!  Are they yours?  If so, are you
>considering adding them to the object collection?
>

Thanks for the advice. The models are Poser models, I don't really think it
would be appropriate to put them in the object collection. But there is one in
p.b.m and if I can satisfy Warp I'll put that one there too.
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     Stephen

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On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:51:32 -0400, Alain <aze### [at] qwertyorg> wrote:


>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:09:56 +0300, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> 
>>> Stephen wrote:
>>>> A New Pose
>>>  Hmm, still somehow lacks the same feeling as that dog photo:
>>>
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DvFc1bix9Rs/Rc9tP2jUsLI/AAAAAAAAAB0/dzDVQFV7e9g/s320/dog+2.jpg
>> 
>> 
>> Another couple of poses.
>> 
>> Although I think the tail should be up if it is aggressive.
>> 
>> http://www.ljplus.ru/img2/p/y/pycaky/Chasing-A-Snack-Red-Fox.jpg
>
>That fox chacing a mouse is not agressive. He don't need to be agressive 
>in this case, just quick!
>

How true, but the mouse! Reminds me of the defiance cartoon below.(I don't think
that's the original one)

>Most canines, when agressive are stationary, mouth somewhat open, not 
>fully open, thong totaly inside the mouth, lips pulled to beter show the 
>theet, legs retracted and in a position to beter pounce on the opponent, 
>ears down and back so that they are less exposed, tail straight and low 
>or horizontal.
>
>
I'm having trouble with the stance, a bit. Also there is no parameter dial for a
snarl. Even if there were, you would then see that the model's teeth are feline
not canine. :(
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     Stephen

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The ears were better before, and now the fox is not crouching at all.
I still think you should try to get the pose in that dog photo as
closely as possible. Notice the front legs right below the head, the
head being down compared to the body, ears up.

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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> schreef in bericht 
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> I've not had a dog for over 30 years :(
> The modle is based on a cat's body and I think it shows a bit.
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lol, yes I guess you are right.

Remember my image "Cathy's World: on the streets"? there were a couple of 
menacing wolfs there. Foxes would probably react identically. There is imo, 
a difference in attitude between a predator ready to pounce on a victim and 
one aggressive to another predator. In the first case, the ears will point 
forwards to hear in addition to see the victim, in the second case the ears 
lie flat back. Also, the attitude should be with the head in line with the 
body in the first case (the better to jump). In the second case that would 
depend on the action under way. When fighting, the sideways presenting of 
the body is done for making oneself bigger (cats are good at that) but other 
attitudes may also be used.

Thomas

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Warp wrote:
>   The ears were better before, and now the fox is not crouching at all.
> I still think you should try to get the pose in that dog photo as
> closely as possible. Notice the front legs right below the head, the
> head being down compared to the body, ears up.

  Just put both photos side-by-side and compare the poses. They are
completely different.

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