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From: Mark James Lewin
Subject: particle smoke (358kb mpg)
Date: 17 Mar 2002 16:57:49
Message: <3C95105D.BA4A1E76@yahoo.com.au>
I was fixing my wind algorithm over the weekend, and decided to try some smoke.
Instead of the usual media filled spheres, or cunnngly textured spheres, I
decided to try and use _lots_ of small spheres, just to see how it looked.

There are about 1800 particles in any one frame (except the first few, of
course), being blown about by a very turbulent wind. The texture is simply rgb
0.5 with a transmit component based on particle age.

Doing smoke this way is slow and not terribly effective; I think many more
particles are needed to pull the effect off. See what you think.

MJL
--
prism{0,.1,30#local I=1;#while(I<30)#local B=asc(substr(// Mark James Lewin
"#K?U_u`V[RG>3<9DGPL.0EObkcPF'",I,1))-33;<div(B,10)-4mod(B,10)+5*div(I,21)-
6>#local I=I+1;#end,-4pigment{rgb 9}rotate-x*90translate 15*z}//POV-Ray 3.5


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From: jimbobjim
Subject: Re: particle smoke (358kb mpg)
Date: 17 Mar 2002 17:23:50
Message: <3c951776@news.povray.org>
I like it - it looks like a jet of liquid diffusing into another liquid, so
it may turn out to be useful.
maybe i'm missing something somewhere, but I fail to see how it's slower
than using media

jim


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: particle smoke (358kb mpg)
Date: 17 Mar 2002 18:41:07
Message: <3c952993$1@news.povray.org>
Looks very similar to steam coming out of a cooling tower.


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From: Mahalis
Subject: Re: particle smoke (358kb mpg)
Date: 17 Mar 2002 19:00:41
Message: <3c952e29$1@news.povray.org>
Nice! At the bottom you can really see the spheres, but the effect at the
top is much more realistic.
"Mark James Lewin" <m_j### [at] yahoocomau> wrote in message
news:3C95105D.BA4A1E76@yahoo.com.au...
> I was fixing my wind algorithm over the weekend, and decided to try some
smoke.
> Instead of the usual media filled spheres, or cunnngly textured spheres, I
> decided to try and use _lots_ of small spheres, just to see how it looked.
>
> There are about 1800 particles in any one frame (except the first few, of
> course), being blown about by a very turbulent wind. The texture is simply
rgb
> 0.5 with a transmit component based on particle age.
>
> Doing smoke this way is slow and not terribly effective; I think many more
> particles are needed to pull the effect off. See what you think.
>
> MJL
> --
> prism{0,.1,30#local I=1;#while(I<30)#local B=asc(substr(// Mark James
Lewin
>
"#K?U_u`V[RG>3<9DGPL.0EObkcPF'",I,1))-33;<div(B,10)-4mod(B,10)+5*div(I,21)-
> 6>#local I=I+1;#end,-4pigment{rgb 9}rotate-x*90translate 15*z}//POV-Ray
3.5
>
>


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Subject: Re: particle smoke (358kb mpg)
Date: 17 Mar 2002 20:05:19
Message: <3c953d4f@news.povray.org>
I liked it VERY much! I wonder if the effect would be enhanced if the
spheres had some kind of slight transparency, and using more of them.

Congratulations, you made me loop through your animation dozens of times!!!

Fernando.

"Mark James Lewin" <m_j### [at] yahoocomau> wrote in message
news:3C95105D.BA4A1E76@yahoo.com.au...
> I was fixing my wind algorithm over the weekend, and decided to try some
smoke.
> Instead of the usual media filled spheres, or cunnngly textured spheres, I
> decided to try and use _lots_ of small spheres, just to see how it looked.
>
> There are about 1800 particles in any one frame (except the first few, of
> course), being blown about by a very turbulent wind. The texture is simply
rgb
> 0.5 with a transmit component based on particle age.
>
> Doing smoke this way is slow and not terribly effective; I think many more
> particles are needed to pull the effect off. See what you think.
>
> MJL
> --
> prism{0,.1,30#local I=1;#while(I<30)#local B=asc(substr(// Mark James
Lewin
>
"#K?U_u`V[RG>3<9DGPL.0EObkcPF'",I,1))-33;<div(B,10)-4mod(B,10)+5*div(I,21)-
> 6>#local I=I+1;#end,-4pigment{rgb 9}rotate-x*90translate 15*z}//POV-Ray
3.5
>
>


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From: Mark James Lewin
Subject: Re: particle smoke (358kb mpg)
Date: 17 Mar 2002 21:39:50
Message: <3C95528D.D1063808@yahoo.com.au>
jimbobjim wrote:

> I like it - it looks like a jet of liquid diffusing into another liquid, so
> it may turn out to be useful.

Thanks. You've given me an idea...

>
> maybe i'm missing something somewhere, but I fail to see how it's slower
> than using media

Reading data for 2000+ particles from file, calculating their next positions, and
writing them back to file is not a fast process. There comes a point where the
time needed for parsing thousands of particles becomes greater than rendering a
few dozen media filled spheres. And unfortunately, this type of smoke sim needs
_really_ high particle counts.

MJL

--
text{ttf"timrom.ttf"concat(#local O=1;#while(O<7)chr(val(substr(concat(#local Q=
1;#while(Q<7)str(asc(substr("???<?>",Q,1))-56,0,0),#local Q=Q+1;#end""),O,2))),#
local O=O+2;#end"").1,0pigment{rgb 9}translate-<1,.3,-2>} // MJL


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From: Mark James Lewin
Subject: Re: particle smoke (358kb mpg)
Date: 17 Mar 2002 21:40:37
Message: <3C9552BD.23A5CC56@yahoo.com.au>
Bill DeWitt wrote:

>     Looks very similar to steam coming out of a cooling tower.

I guess it does. Maybe a texture change will enhance this effect. Thanks for the
comments!

MJL

--
text{ttf"timrom.ttf"concat(#local O=1;#while(O<7)chr(val(substr(concat(#local Q=
1;#while(Q<7)str(asc(substr("???<?>",Q,1))-56,0,0),#local Q=Q+1;#end""),O,2))),#
local O=O+2;#end"").1,0pigment{rgb 9}translate-<1,.3,-2>} // MJL


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From: Mark James Lewin
Subject: Re: particle smoke (358kb mpg)
Date: 17 Mar 2002 21:41:55
Message: <3C95530B.BA4B0CDC@yahoo.com.au>
Mahalis wrote:

> Nice! At the bottom you can really see the spheres, but the effect at the
> top is much more realistic.

Thanks! As with most particle simulations, more particles is almost always
desired.

MJL

--
text{ttf"timrom.ttf"concat(#local O=1;#while(O<7)chr(val(substr(concat(#local Q=
1;#while(Q<7)str(asc(substr("???<?>",Q,1))-56,0,0),#local Q=Q+1;#end""),O,2))),#
local O=O+2;#end"").1,0pigment{rgb 9}translate-<1,.3,-2>} // MJL


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From: Mark James Lewin
Subject: Re: particle smoke (358kb mpg)
Date: 17 Mar 2002 21:45:01
Message: <3C9553C4.5BCD501F@yahoo.com.au>


> I liked it VERY much! I wonder if the effect would be enhanced if the
> spheres had some kind of slight transparency, and using more of them.

Thanks! The spheres get more transperent as they age, but I think they needed
more from the outset. The need for more particles is directly proportional to the
need for a faster computer, and unfortunately, 1800 particles tests my patience
as it is.

MJL

--
text{ttf"timrom.ttf"concat(#local O=1;#while(O<7)chr(val(substr(concat(#local Q=
1;#while(Q<7)str(asc(substr("???<?>",Q,1))-56,0,0),#local Q=Q+1;#end""),O,2))),#
local O=O+2;#end"").1,0pigment{rgb 9}translate-<1,.3,-2>} // MJL


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From: Hugo
Subject: Re: particle smoke (358kb mpg)
Date: 18 Mar 2002 04:50:14
Message: <3c95b856$1@news.povray.org>
> 1800 particles tests my patience

I don't think that sounds like a whole lot.. That shouldn't take more than a
second to parse / recalculate..?

Regards,
Hugo


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