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From: Vic
Subject: Re: POV-Ray for Windows, version 3.5 RC2 expired early, and there is no replacement at the moment
Date: 29 Apr 2002 10:42:17
Message: <3ccd5bc9@news.povray.org>
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> You could just d/l the VC++ compile - much smaller (.exe only, so don't
delete
> your old installation).
Thanks, it can help a lot. - Vic
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"Chris Cason" <new### [at] delete thispovrayorg> wrote in news:3cccc4b2
@news.povray.org:
> Sorry, we have a hitch and won't be releasing RC3 for at least another 8
> hours. Please just set your clock back, re-start POV, then set it forward
> again.
Have you people given any thought to setting the drop-dead date to a few
days *after* the planned next release date rather than right on the day?
It'd give you a bigger window to fix last-minute gotchas without 1) pissing
off the user base, and 2) getting p.b-t flooded with messages every time a
beta dies early.
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From: TinCanMan
Subject: Re: POV-Ray for Windows, version 3.5 RC2 expired early, and there is no replacement at the moment
Date: 29 Apr 2002 15:12:01
Message: <3ccd9b01$1@news.povray.org>
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> Have you people given any thought to setting the drop-dead date to a few
> days *after* the planned next release date rather than right on the day?
> It'd give you a bigger window to fix last-minute gotchas without 1)
pissing
> off the user base, and 2) getting p.b-t flooded with messages every time a
> beta dies early.
I suppose it should be reiterated that this is beta testing. Any work done
in 3.5 that does not relate directly to beta testing is done so at the users
own risk. Even though it is great to use the new program we should not be
treating as the final release until such time that it is. Just because it is
publicly available doesn't change the fact that it is still beta.
-tgq
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"TinCanMan" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in
news:3ccd9b01$1@news.povray.org:
> I suppose it should be reiterated that this is beta testing.
Needlessly make the beta too unreliable or too annoying to use and people
will get fed up and quit testing it.
Would that be a good thing?
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From: ingo
Subject: Re: POV-Ray for Windows, version 3.5 RC2 expired early, and there is no replacement at the moment
Date: 29 Apr 2002 17:57:42
Message: <Xns9200116D60Bseed7@povray.org>
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in news:Xns### [at] 204213191226 Coridon Henshaw wrote:
>> I suppose it should be reiterated that this is beta testing.
>
> Needlessly make the beta too unreliable or too annoying to use and
> people will get fed up and quit testing it.
>
> Would that be a good thing?
>
YES, it would stop all these pathetic whiners stop whining, I hope....
Sorry but all this nonsense postings about a beta being somewhat late
realy pisses me off.
I've ran at least 15 (pre)-beta's and _none_ of them was "too" late. IMO
this is a great achievement of The Team. I know, as a doc maintainer
I've been too late with my submissions on several occasions, or
completely missed deadlines, but the (pre)beta was there with all kinds
of bugs fixed!
One would realy expect that raytracing would have learned people some
patience, but it seems to be the opposite.
Ingo
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ingo <ing### [at] homenl> wrote in news:Xns### [at] povrayorg:
> in news:Xns### [at] 204213191226 Coridon Henshaw wrote:
>> Needlessly make the beta too unreliable or too annoying to use and
>> people will get fed up and quit testing it.
>> Would that be a good thing?
> YES, it would stop all these pathetic whiners stop whining, I hope....
Then why bother with a public beta at all? Keep the entire project private
and you won't have any 'pathetic whiners' (aka: users) to get under your
feet.
> One would realy expect that raytracing would have learned people some
> patience, but it seems to be the opposite.
There is a difference between having to wait for a render that's slow
because its complicated and having to leap through hoops because of some
drop dead logic that's needlessly annoying and needlessly agressive given
the simple fact that volunteers can't reasonably be expected to follow
strict release timetables.
The problem is not that RC3 is late but rather that RC2 has no built in
safety margin to cope with a late replacement.
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From: Glen Berry
Subject: Re: POV-Ray for Windows, version 3.5 RC2 expired early, and there is no replacement at the moment
Date: 29 Apr 2002 23:38:29
Message: <tP=NPKtv2=0YjpSMnVDHZigmk4+1@4ax.com>
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On 29 Apr 2002 17:57:42 -0400, ingo <ing### [at] homenl> wrote:
>YES, it would stop all these pathetic whiners stop whining, I hope....
>Sorry but all this nonsense postings about a beta being somewhat late
>realy pisses me off.
>Ingo
So you are fighting your perceived "whiners" by doing some whining
yourself? I'm sure that will help everyone a lot.
As for my post being "nonsense", it was perfectly coherent and
intelligible.
There was no whining in my post whatsoever, only a simple question.
Chris was quick to respond, and did so with a very helpful attitude. I
then thanked him for the help, and wished him good luck with the beta
process. There was no whining in that exchange whatsoever.
Perhaps language isn't your natural mode of communication? Would
3D-rendered hand gestures be more informative for you? One in
particular comes to mind for this occasion...
I *do not* appreciate being called "pathetic", especially when my post
only asked for simple information as to the exact nature of the POV
beta expiration. I thought if I knew exactly when the betas would
expire, it would be less likely to take me by surprise in fhe future.
If that pisses you off, then so be it. I'm not responsible if you
can't mainatin control over your bodily finctions.
Later,
Glen
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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: POV-Ray for Windows, version 3.5 RC2 expired early, and there is no replacement at the moment
Date: 30 Apr 2002 02:05:40
Message: <3CCE3434.875CB2A0@gmx.de>
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Glen Berry wrote:
>
> So you are fighting your perceived "whiners" by doing some whining
> yourself? I'm sure that will help everyone a lot.
>
> As for my post being "nonsense", it was perfectly coherent and
> intelligible.
>
> [...]
I think we probably should calm down a bit. Ingo probably did not adress
you in particular with his post but the continuing whining about the beta
expiry after your question was answered.
And BTW RC3 is available now.
Christoph
--
POV-Ray tutorials, IsoWood include,
TransSkin and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
Last updated 26 Apr. 2002 _____./\/^>_*_<^\/\.______
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On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:58:41 +1000, "Chris Cason"
<new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote:
> Sorry, we have a hitch and won't be releasing RC3 for at least another 8
> hours.
Any chance to share knowladge what happened ? If it is something around
metodology of development it could increase experience of other teams.
ABX
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From: ingo
Subject: Re: POV-Ray for Windows, version 3.5 RC2 expired early, and there is no replacement at the moment
Date: 30 Apr 2002 03:43:17
Message: <Xns9200635A5A627seed7@povray.org>
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in news:3CCE3434.875CB2A0@gmx.de Christoph Hormann wrote:
> Ingo probably did not adress
> you in particular with his post but the continuing whining about the
> beta expiry after your question was answered.
That's exactly what it was about.
> And BTW RC3 is available now.
Now let's have some fun again,
Ingo
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