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Soo.....
After looking into it again, I think it's clear that POV-Ray is doing
things a little bit halfway compared to other 3D & video packages.
However, my off-hand guess is that it would take a bit of work to get
things to save two fields per one file. :-(
So, does this then chang it from a bug to "works as designed", and thus
changing it becomes a feature-request instead of a bug-fix?
If it's WAD, I could probably write up a new bit for the docs to explain
it better.
--
Jon A. Cruz
http://www.geocities.com/joncruz/action.html
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In article <3BDAFCBA.3E20163C@geocities.com> , "Jon A. Cruz"
<jon### [at] geocities com> wrote:
> After looking into it again, I think it's clear that POV-Ray is doing
> things a little bit halfway compared to other 3D & video packages.
>
> However, my off-hand guess is that it would take a bit of work to get
> things to save two fields per one file. :-(
>
> So, does this then chang it from a bug to "works as designed", and thus
> changing it becomes a feature-request instead of a bug-fix?
>
> If it's WAD, I could probably write up a new bit for the docs to explain
> it better.
Well, POV-Ray could automatically use half the clock step size and thus
generate as many frames as expected (twice as many as it does not)...
Thorsten
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Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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I imagine it would be very hard to fix this, because POV would have to parse
what is internally two separate scenes for a single frame.
Someone needs to write a program that will take the output images and
combine them as necessary. =)
- Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
[ http://www.slimeland.com/images/ ]
"Jon A. Cruz" <jon### [at] geocitiescom> wrote in message
news:3BDAFCBA.3E20163C@geocities.com...
> Soo.....
>
> After looking into it again, I think it's clear that POV-Ray is doing
> things a little bit halfway compared to other 3D & video packages.
>
> However, my off-hand guess is that it would take a bit of work to get
> things to save two fields per one file. :-(
>
> So, does this then chang it from a bug to "works as designed", and thus
> changing it becomes a feature-request instead of a bug-fix?
>
> If it's WAD, I could probably write up a new bit for the docs to explain
> it better.
>
>
> --
> Jon A. Cruz
> http://www.geocities.com/joncruz/action.html
>
>
>
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"Jon A. Cruz" wrote:
>
> Soo.....
>
> After looking into it again, I think it's clear that POV-Ray is doing
> things a little bit halfway compared to other 3D & video packages.
>
> However, my off-hand guess is that it would take a bit of work to get
> things to save two fields per one file. :-(
>
> So, does this then chang it from a bug to "works as designed", and thus
> changing it becomes a feature-request instead of a bug-fix?
Two fields per file is a BAD idea. Where is the gain when one would only
want to rerender the odd fields
(on one computer, and the even fields on another).
When doing fields thing, at 25fps, I believe it's normal to have to provide
50 files per second. The content of each file may have to be adapted for
the current animation softwares, but that's another story.
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-Hail
You say it is a bad idea, that claerly shows that you never did any work
involving video. I tried once to use pov for my multimedia projects and I
almost lost my job because I was trying to get the field rendering to work
proprly in the end I scrapped this idea because I had no choice, then on my
spare time I figured out the way to do this right, it involved many tests
with many types of footage. The conclusion I came to is clear and I dont see
why you could be against this. Name one piece of software or hardware that
will accept this format.
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In article <3bdd9da2$1@news.povray.org> , "Vampyrium"
<cyb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Name one piece of software or hardware that
> will accept this format.
QuickTime and all the DVD tools Apple sells (which have more than 50% DVD
authoring market share), Adobe Premiere, ...
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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-Hail
So, this is an apple thing. If you check out Adobe Premiere (PC version)
you will find otherwise. Anyhow this topic should have been resolved by now,
since it isnt lets come to a final solution that remains permanent as this
is taking up useful time from both sides.
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In article <3bdda363@news.povray.org> , "Vampyrium" <cyb### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:
> So, this is an apple thing. If you check out Adobe Premiere (PC version)
> you will find otherwise.
No, it isn't. As there should be no difference between the Premiere
versions on Macs and PCs. Also the other remaining DVD authoring software
company Sonic/Daikin (they recently merged) seems to supports such import
with their products (I don't know anybody who has access to those). So I
really don't see a problem other than that POV-Ray doesn't adjust the clock
frequency to create twice as many images when field rendering is used - and
that is a really simple to "fix" problem.
If you have a problem importing the format in Adobe Premiere I can try to
find someone who has the PC version and send you detailed instructions for
PCs if you think the PC version is different...
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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I have the PC version of Adobe Premiere, and although I haven't used it
extensively enough to say that this is or is not possible, I would
appreciate instructions on how POV's feild rendering could be imported into
it. As far as I can tell, from the way it uses feild rendering *itself* with
transitions and things, the two-feilds-in-one-frame method (the one POV
*doesn't* do) is the necessary one.
- Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
[ http://www.slimeland.com/images/ ]
"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
news:3bddaabc@news.povray.org...
> In article <3bdda363@news.povray.org> , "Vampyrium"
<cyb### [at] hotmailcom>
> wrote:
>
> > So, this is an apple thing. If you check out Adobe Premiere (PC
version)
> > you will find otherwise.
>
> No, it isn't. As there should be no difference between the Premiere
> versions on Macs and PCs. Also the other remaining DVD authoring software
> company Sonic/Daikin (they recently merged) seems to supports such import
> with their products (I don't know anybody who has access to those). So I
> really don't see a problem other than that POV-Ray doesn't adjust the
clock
> frequency to create twice as many images when field rendering is used -
and
> that is a really simple to "fix" problem.
>
> If you have a problem importing the format in Adobe Premiere I can try to
> find someone who has the PC version and send you detailed instructions for
> PCs if you think the PC version is different...
>
> Thorsten
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
> e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
>
> Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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I figured this out. First import the file (or list of still frames) through
File -> Import. Then place the clip onto the timeline. Right click on the
clip and go to Video Options -> Field Options. Select "Interlace consecutive
frames."
Then choose the Rate Stretch Tool (next to the razor blade tool) and shrink
the clip to half it's length.
That should give you what you want.
- Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
[ http://www.slimeland.com/images/ ]
"Slime" <noo### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:3bddb178@news.povray.org...
> I have the PC version of Adobe Premiere, and although I haven't used it
> extensively enough to say that this is or is not possible, I would
> appreciate instructions on how POV's feild rendering could be imported
into
> it. As far as I can tell, from the way it uses feild rendering *itself*
with
> transitions and things, the two-feilds-in-one-frame method (the one POV
> *doesn't* do) is the necessary one.
>
> - Slime
> [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
> [ http://www.slimeland.com/images/ ]
>
> "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
> news:3bddaabc@news.povray.org...
> > In article <3bdda363@news.povray.org> , "Vampyrium"
> <cyb### [at] hotmailcom>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > So, this is an apple thing. If you check out Adobe Premiere (PC
> version)
> > > you will find otherwise.
> >
> > No, it isn't. As there should be no difference between the Premiere
> > versions on Macs and PCs. Also the other remaining DVD authoring
software
> > company Sonic/Daikin (they recently merged) seems to supports such
import
> > with their products (I don't know anybody who has access to those). So
I
> > really don't see a problem other than that POV-Ray doesn't adjust the
> clock
> > frequency to create twice as many images when field rendering is used -
> and
> > that is a really simple to "fix" problem.
> >
> > If you have a problem importing the format in Adobe Premiere I can try
to
> > find someone who has the PC version and send you detailed instructions
for
> > PCs if you think the PC version is different...
> >
> > Thorsten
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
> > e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
> >
> > Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
>
>
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