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From: Eitan Tal
Subject: will povray work on linux?
Date: 25 Sep 1999 06:39:22
Message: <37ECA58A.A7B3A985@netvision.net.il>
I am getting linux soon
instead of this lousy microsoft's windows 98 (or with it)
is there a version of povray that will work on linux?


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: will povray work on linux?
Date: 25 Sep 1999 06:44:28
Message: <37ECA737.1D4E3773@pacbell.net>
Eitan Tal wrote:
> 
> I am getting linux soon
> instead of this lousy microsoft's windows 98 (or with it)
> is there a version of povray that will work on linux?

Yes. There is even a linux/unix group on this news server for discussion
of using POV-Ray on those platforms.

-- 
Ken Tyler
1100+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html


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From: Ron Parker
Subject: Re: will povray work on linux?
Date: 26 Sep 1999 14:53:25
Message: <slrn7us9m8.2en.parkerr@linux.parkerr.fwi.com>
On Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:36:11 +0200, Eitan Tal <eit### [at] netvisionnetil> wrote:
>I am getting linux soon
>instead of this lousy microsoft's windows 98 (or with it)
>is there a version of povray that will work on linux?

Please ask these questions somewhere appropriate.  None of them are "advanced"
questions.  Please either ask in povray.newusers or in povray.general, whichever
seems most appropriate for the question.

Unless your purpose in asking lots of potentially inflammatory questions is to
go trolling again, in which case GO Away Troll!


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From: Alan Kong
Subject: Re: will povray work on linux?
Date: 27 Sep 1999 08:40:23
Message: <kGXvNzq7oBWb7SM4JEVLryekjvGN@4ax.com>
On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:37:54 +0300, "Eitan Tal" <eit### [at] netvisionnetil>
wrote:

>don't fight! piratisim is really lame, but when it comes to
>bill gates... we must do all we can to kill him!

  You might devote your energy into something more constructive than
promoting software piracy, Eitan.

  Piracy is stealing, plain and simple. If someone we know gives us a copy
of software that is for another end-user then we both become thieves. Resist
the temptation to do so. Don't use the excuse that you are battling
Microsoft because that's no reason at all for stealing. This is all part of
growing up.

  Piracy achieves one goal - it makes legitimate software buyers like the
rest of us, pay more for the software in the long run. We end up subsidizing
those who steal.

-- 
Alan


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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: will povray work on linux?
Date: 27 Sep 1999 12:01:25
Message: <37ef94d5@news.povray.org>
>  Piracy is stealing, plain and simple. If someone we know gives us a copy
>of software that is for another end-user then we both become thieves.

I consider it testing non-demo software or trying out the full potential of
crippled trialware. I also consider it borrowing. For example, I have a
friend that bought MS Office 97. When I needed to do some spreadsheeting, I
would go over to his house. This became repetetive. What difference does it
make to use the program here at home, when I can go over and use it at his
house? It saves me a couple dozen trips. So, I got a copy of Office from
him.

I don't like to pirate. I feel the guilt of stealing. I plan to purchase
certain softwares but can't afford them right now. I certainly can't afford
to upgrade every year (at least with Microsoft prices). Oh, yeah, another
factor is that my father refuses to buy what I can get free off the 'Net or
from friends. He prefers buying hardware.


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From: Thomas Willhalm
Subject: Re: will povray work on linux?
Date: 27 Sep 1999 12:30:42
Message: <qqmk8pc48r1.fsf@goldach.fmi.uni-konstanz.de>
"TonyB" <ben### [at] panamaphoenixnet> writes:

> >  Piracy is stealing, plain and simple. If someone we know gives us a copy
> >of software that is for another end-user then we both become thieves.
> 
> I consider it testing non-demo software or trying out the full potential of
> crippled trialware. I also consider it borrowing. For example, I have a
> friend that bought MS Office 97. When I needed to do some spreadsheeting, I
> would go over to his house. This became repetetive. What difference does it
> make to use the program here at home, when I can go over and use it at his
> house?

You can run two instances of the software at the same time. Don't hit 
on me, but this is the criterion that is common in the software community.
Other methods of prizing are possible, like measuring the usage or
paying each manual. However, M$ currently want to be paid for each
installed (or running?) version.

> I don't like to pirate. I feel the guilt of stealing. I plan to purchase
> certain softwares but can't afford them right now. I certainly can't afford
> to upgrade every year (at least with Microsoft prices). Oh, yeah, another
> factor is that my father refuses to buy what I can get free off the 'Net or
> from friends. He prefers buying hardware.


To become on topic again: Use "free" software like Linux, StarOffice, KDE,
Emacs, gcc, and POV-Ray. This is what I do and I'm quite happy with it.

And yes: povray will work on linux.

Thomas

-- 
http://www.fmi.uni-konstanz.de/~willhalm


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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: will povray work on linux?
Date: 27 Sep 1999 14:08:10
Message: <37efb28a@news.povray.org>
I have too much on Windows to go over to Linux completely. Even if I could,
there is no one in this country capable of helping me with it. I don't want
to learn everything all over again.


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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: will povray work on linux?
Date: 27 Sep 1999 19:58:23
Message: <F=7vN+Iwd44dRp=8EZ4s0Np3b2am@4ax.com>
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:40:40 -0700, Alan Kong
<ako### [at] pacbellNO-SPAMnet> wrote:

>>  Piracy achieves one goal - it makes legitimate software buyers like the
>rest of us, pay more for the software in the long run. We end up subsidizing
>those who steal.

This is only true if the person pirating the particular software is a
potential buyer of this same product. What if that person cannot
afford to buy the software? Then there are two ways to go -- either
forget about the software or use a pirated version. Either way the
software company gets no money from that person, but in one case that
person is using the software and in the other he/she does not not. Now
which case is better?

If it were not for pirated software, I would have never seen nor heard
of POV simply because computers would have been such a luxury here
that none of the specialized magazines/newspapers would have existed,
nor the TV / radio programs... brrr, I am getting the chills :)


Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700


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From: Mark Wagner
Subject: Re: will povray work on linux?
Date: 28 Sep 1999 00:38:34
Message: <37f0464a@news.povray.org>
TonyB wrote in message <37ef94d5@news.povray.org>...
>>  Piracy is stealing, plain and simple. If someone we know gives us a copy
>>of software that is for another end-user then we both become thieves.
>
>I consider it testing non-demo software or trying out the full potential of
>crippled trialware. I also consider it borrowing. For example, I have a
>friend that bought MS Office 97. When I needed to do some spreadsheeting, I
>would go over to his house. This became repetetive. What difference does it
>make to use the program here at home, when I can go over and use it at his
>house? It saves me a couple dozen trips. So, I got a copy of Office from
>him.
The difference between the two is that you can be prosecuted for using your
copy, but not for using your friend's copy.

Mark


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From: Ron Parker
Subject: Re: will povray work on linux?
Date: 28 Sep 1999 00:41:35
Message: <slrn7v00hs.32p.parkerr@linux.parkerr.fwi.com>
On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:43:37 -0400, Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:
>The difference between the two is that you can be prosecuted for using your
>copy, but not for using your friend's copy.

Don't get me wrong; I hate piracy as much as the next guy who's making a living
selling software, but it's only been recently that one could be prosecuted (in
the US anyway) for piracy.  Previously, copyright violation was purely a civil
matter.

What I want to know is, how did this thread from July get exhumed again?


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