On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:54:24 +0200, Marc Schimmler wrote:
>Maybe you could add a small section that
>explains how to understand them (or have I overseen such a part ... ?).

You overlooked such a part.  See "Notation and Basic Assumptions",
toward the top of the document.

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ako### [at] pacbellnet (Alan Kong) wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:22:08 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>
> > The content appears to be the same only the format has changed. I believe
> >we discussed this in .general a while back didn't we ?
>
>   We discussed the way we could no longer traverse the entire docs by paging
> down continuously. Just wanted to hear if there was something else that was
> lacking...

If we're speaking of the PDF version, the fact that the index doesn't
have hot links to the content is a minor annoyance for me.

(I don't know about the Windows version of the Acrobat Reader, but under
OS/2, it can be set to default to continuous rather than single pages,
so it *is* possible to page down continuously through the docs.)


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I got 24, but have some questions:


#12-Not really, but I have ported the Photon Mapping patch to the
Mac(and found one very tiny bug in the code). I suppose that doesn't
count.

#19-I understand what it means, I don't know how it is calculated. One
point?

#25-does this mean "the only time you use PNG is with POV-Ray" or "the
only format you use with POV-Ray is PNG"? In any case, I use PNG and
TGA.

#31-Should this be here? I have heard of emacs, but I don't know what it
is, and I don't think there is a Mac version.

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On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:58:37 GMT, shi### [at] gatenet (Jeff Lee) wrote:

>If we're speaking of the PDF version, the fact that the index doesn't
>have hot links to the content is a minor annoyance for me.

  Hi, Jeff. I'm using Acrobat Reader v4.0 for the Windows platform and I'm
able to click on a topic in the index to go to that particular section or
sub-section of the docs.

>(I don't know about the Windows version of the Acrobat Reader, but under
>OS/2, it can be set to default to continuous rather than single pages,
>so it *is* possible to page down continuously through the docs.)

  My version of Acrobat Reader is set up this way although I don't recall if
this is the default or I changed something.

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On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:54:24 +0200, Marc Schimmler
<sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote:

>For that I have to be at home where I can give you the sections.

  Okay.

>Not the file format but the style actually. I know that it is typical
>for programming language descriptions to describe the syntax in the way
>it is done in the 3.1 docs.

  I'll have to take a look at the particular sections...

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Glen Berry wrote:

> Does the "hardcore povrayer test" count for much? Should we care?
>
> I think it makes for some interesting trivia, but shouldn't be thought
> of as some sort of important judgement on any POV-User's worth or
> merit as an artist, craftsman, or human being.
>
> Later,
> Glen Berry

I support that opinion, and not only because I don't seem to get more than 10
(of course it's hard to resist to such a test because it's fun)...
Let's try to imagine such a test in the late 1880... The hardcore oil-painter
test... with questions like :
- do you know all the chemical formulas of all the pigments you use ?
- can you build a weaving machine so that you can make your own canvas ?
- what's the ideal growing temperature for linseed, so that you can grow some in
your backyard and crush the seed to make your own oil ?
- the thermodynamics of sunsets are a piece of cake
- can you tell the names of the ten Parisian brothels where you can sit down,
drink absinth and find cheap models and inspiration ?
- what's the average WHR (waist-to-hip ratio) of the brothel employees ?
- what's the average permanency of eosine ?
- what are the scientific name of sunflowers and irises ?
- do you hunt minks and wild boars to take their hair and make your own brushes
?
- do you have your two earlobes ?
- have you ever sold any painting ?

G.

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Look at me, I got 8.

(I'll make one for 3D Studio MAX, Photoshop or Speed Razor and then test
myself ;-)


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Gilles Tran wrote in message <376E51BC.C6161038@inapg.inra.fr>...
>
>Glen Berry wrote:
>
>> Does the "hardcore povrayer test" count for much? Should we care?
>>
>> I think it makes for some interesting trivia, but shouldn't be thought
>> of as some sort of important judgement on any POV-User's worth or
>> merit as an artist, craftsman, or human being.
>>
>> Later,
>> Glen Berry
>
>I support that opinion, and not only because I don't seem to get more than
10
>(of course it's hard to resist to such a test because it's fun)...

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On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:03:47 +1000, Lance Birch wrote:
>Look at me, I got 8.
>
>(I'll make one for 3D Studio MAX, Photoshop or Speed Razor and then test
>myself ;-)

Oooh... I wanna take the photoshop one.

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Gilles Tran wrote:

> I support that opinion, and not only because I don't seem to get more than 10
> (of course it's hard to resist to such a test because it's fun)...
> Let's try to imagine such a test in the late 1880... The hardcore oil-painter
> test... with questions like :
> - do you know all the chemical formulas of all the pigments you use ?
> - can you build a weaving machine so that you can make your own canvas ?
<snip>

  I just looked in the documentation for my favorite Paint program and none
of these questions were answered. Go figure !

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Gail Shaw wrote:

> Is there anyone else who thinks the 3.0 docs were better than
> the 3.1 docs?

Yes. Software like this really needs several doc writers on each
topic. So much of the explanation is bound up in the way the
writer looks at it, their background and such. If the reader does
not have that background it does not make much sense. 

e.g. I was very familiar with the media scattering diagrams (two
points! for a total of three) before I saw them in POV but as to
the rest of the docs on media, I can't get it to work like it
"should" based upon my knowledge of scattering. 

The doc writer and I don't speak the same language. That is one
thing to get across to new-comers, don't be concerned if you
don't find the docs easily understandable, you are not alone.

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Chris Huff wrote in message <376A838E.A8A9F863@compuserve.com>...
>I got 24, but have some questions:

I looked, figured I'd get about 4 (based on what I have done rather than
what I know I could do if/when I get to it)

>#12-Not really, but I have ported the Photon Mapping patch to the
>Mac(and found one very tiny bug in the code). I suppose that doesn't
>count.

Gotta get this, I'll see if I can find it...

>#31-Should this be here? I have heard of emacs, but I don't know what
it
>is, and I don't think there is a Mac version.

There is a mac version (at least one). It's a programmable text editor
(*HUGE* understatement).

search at altavista (+emacs +macintosh) turns up some likely links. I
would imagine that much of what emacs can do mac emacs can't... but I
haven't looked.

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Nobot wrote:
> 
> i got many of them but not the cammera in non hollow object hehehe :) but i
> wouldn't say i'm hard core and adding a key word isn't that big of a deal really

Minus 10 points for full quote.

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I just got done reading this thread. Every time that someone proposes 
a 'test' to see who is and who isn't (whatever), their pride is showing.
Did you notice what got stirred up? Was it fun? Educational? Has anyone
come out 'on top of the list'? Shame on you all. A lot of great leaders
have tried that idea of an 'elite' group. Tell me, would non-hardcore
users be asked to quit? Would we have to prove that we are hard-core?

If you are all that great, teach others. If you are all that 
wise, guide others. What ever happened to that tag-line 
"Share what you know, learn what you don't"?

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Arthur Flint wrote:
> 
> I just got done reading this thread. Every time that someone proposes
> a 'test' to see who is and who isn't (whatever), their pride is showing.
> Did you notice what got stirred up? Was it fun? Educational? Has anyone
> come out 'on top of the list'? Shame on you all. A lot of great leaders
> have tried that idea of an 'elite' group. Tell me, would non-hardcore
> users be asked to quit? Would we have to prove that we are hard-core?
> 
> If you are all that great, teach others. If you are all that
> wise, guide others. What ever happened to that tag-line
> "Share what you know, learn what you don't"?

  Well in defense of those who responded with their scores to this thread I
would say without exception they all offer aid to those in need. This comes
in various ways from simply answering questions in these groups on a regular
basis, hosting sites with tutorials, and spending time through private
emails helping track down that elusive problem. Personaly I think we are a
pretty helpful bunch aroung here. I know I personaly go above and beyond the
call of duty sometimes to answer questions around here and I am not alone
in that regard. I often hear comments that there is no other user group bar
none where one can recieve the level of help available here on the Pov news
server.

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Arthur Flint wrote:
> 
> I just got done reading this thread. Every time that someone proposes
> a 'test' to see who is and who isn't (whatever), their pride is showing.
> Did you notice what got stirred up? Was it fun? Educational? Has anyone
> come out 'on top of the list'? Shame on you all. A lot of great leaders
> have tried that idea of an 'elite' group. Tell me, would non-hardcore
> users be asked to quit? Would we have to prove that we are hard-core?
> 
> If you are all that great, teach others. If you are all that
> wise, guide others. What ever happened to that tag-line
> "Share what you know, learn what you don't"?

I found this test very funny and even the responses by those who made
it. I also think that Ken is right when he says that the willingness in
this group to help is quite great. See this test as a kind of joke. As
long as you like the pics you generate with pov nothing is wrong. I fail
many of the answers in this test and I don't feel minor in any way.
There's a lot to learn and for most of us only few time to do. Just take
it easy and have a laugh or two.

Marc

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On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:26:38 -0800, Arthur Flint wrote:
>If you are all that great, teach others. If you are all that 
>wise, guide others. 

I came out on top of the list, I think.  I also think I do what
you're suggesting rather well, thank you.

>What ever happened to that tag-line 
>"Share what you know, learn what you don't"?

Dejanews can't see us here so their taglines don't apply. :)

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