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From: Graham Redway
Subject: What makes an advanced user?
Date: 18 Apr 1999 06:56:13
Message: <3719AC47.B96D9BDF@compuserve.com>
What makes an advanced user? Am I an advanced user given that if I had
enough time I could model pretty much anything? I can grasp most things
in Povray, except Radiosity, which is my next area to investigate. I
don't want to blur the boundaries between .general and .advanced-users
and so where I put my messages/queries should be appropriate.

	Graham.


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From: Matt Giuer
Subject: Re: What makes an advanced user?
Date: 26 Apr 1999 00:15:08
Message: <3723DA4D.9ED1693F@ij.net>
> What makes an advanced user? Am I an advanced user given that if I had
> enough time I could model pretty much anything? I can grasp most things
> in Povray, except Radiosity, which is my next area to investigate. I
> don't want to blur the boundaries between .general and .advanced-users
> and so where I put my messages/queries should be appropriate.

	I think all they meant was to put up a place beyond beginner.
When you can answer the oft repeated questions there, come here.
I don't see that anyone can ever master it all in POV.


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: What makes an advanced user?
Date: 16 Aug 1999 11:03:49
Message: <37B827C3.26DDE003@geocities.com>
I couldn't help but chuckle when I saw this quesiton in this newly
discovered ng.

On the AOL boards, someone once tried to set up a separate discussion only
for "Bible-BELIEVING Lutherans."


Graham Redway wrote:

> What makes an advanced user? Am I an advanced user given that if I had
> enough time I could model pretty much anything? I can grasp most things
> in Povray, except Radiosity, which is my next area to investigate. I
> don't want to blur the boundaries between .general and .advanced-users
> and so where I put my messages/queries should be appropriate.
>
>         Graham.


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: What makes an advanced user?
Date: 3 Sep 1999 02:02:36
Message: <37cf647c@news.povray.org>
Graham Redway <red### [at] compuservecom> wrote:
> What makes an advanced user? Am I an advanced user given that if I had
> enough time I could model pretty much anything? I can grasp most things
> in Povray, except Radiosity, which is my next area to investigate. I
> don't want to blur the boundaries between .general and .advanced-users
> and so where I put my messages/queries should be appropriate.

A true 'advanced user' can answer 10 out of 10 questions that novice users
post in povray.general ;0


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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: What makes an advanced user?
Date: 3 Sep 1999 07:04:33
Message: <37CFAB33.F4224DB9@peak.edu.ee>
So, if I can type RTFM I'm advanced? :)
The answer is usually correct, just not very nice...

Margus

Chris Cason wrote:
> 
> Graham Redway <red### [at] compuservecom> wrote:
> > What makes an advanced user? Am I an advanced user given that if I had
> > enough time I could model pretty much anything? I can grasp most things
> > in Povray, except Radiosity, which is my next area to investigate. I
> > don't want to blur the boundaries between .general and .advanced-users
> > and so where I put my messages/queries should be appropriate.
> 
> A true 'advanced user' can answer 10 out of 10 questions that novice users
> post in povray.general ;0


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From: Nieminen Juha
Subject: Re: What makes an advanced user?
Date: 3 Sep 1999 07:19:14
Message: <37cfaeb2@news.povray.org>
Margus Ramst <mar### [at] peakeduee> wrote:
: So, if I can type RTFM I'm advanced? :)
: The answer is usually correct, just not very nice...

  Actually the answer is not correct because there's no answer at all.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/


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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: What makes an advanced user?
Date: 3 Sep 1999 09:57:26
Message: <37CFD3B7.43FF04E7@peak.edu.ee>
In what sense?

Margus

Nieminen Juha wrote:
> 
> Margus Ramst <mar### [at] peakeduee> wrote:
> : So, if I can type RTFM I'm advanced? :)
> : The answer is usually correct, just not very nice...
> 
>   Actually the answer is not correct because there's no answer at all.
> 
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/


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From: Ron Parker
Subject: Re: What makes an advanced user?
Date: 3 Sep 1999 09:59:06
Message: <37cfd42a@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 14:04:19 +0300, Margus Ramst wrote:
>So, if I can type RTFM I'm advanced? :)
>The answer is usually correct, just not very nice...

Only if you can tell when RTFM is the correct answer.  Remember,
the criteria require a perfect score.  "Usually" isn't good enough.


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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: What makes an advanced user?
Date: 3 Sep 1999 10:10:21
Message: <37CFD6BE.3BF5EA6C@peak.edu.ee>
Perfection is an impossibility.
But back when I was a newbie (ahem) this was the only answer I had - just like
many others. It does give the solution 9 times out of 10, if you take the
trouble to delve into it.

Margus

Ron Parker wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 14:04:19 +0300, Margus Ramst wrote:
> >So, if I can type RTFM I'm advanced? :)
> >The answer is usually correct, just not very nice...
> 
> Only if you can tell when RTFM is the correct answer.  Remember,
> the criteria require a perfect score.  "Usually" isn't good enough.


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: What makes an advanced user?
Date: 3 Sep 1999 10:18:35
Message: <37CFD86C.D54BA077@pacbell.net>
Margus Ramst wrote:
> 
> Perfection is an impossibility.
> But back when I was a newbie (ahem) this was the only answer I had - just like
> many others. It does give the solution 9 times out of 10, if you take the
> trouble to delve into it.
> 
> Margus

While the Povray docs are the best I have ever seen there is simply no way
to learn how to be creative by simply reading them. That takes experience
and answering questions in .general takes more that "book" read knowlege to
be able to field all of the questions posted there.

That's strike two !

-- 
Ken Tyler

See my 850+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html


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