hello,

well i'm not batting too well here.  i'm running thru the moray
tutorial in the povray docs for bicubic patches, and it tells me
to click the "extended edit" at the bottom of the moray window
after i've created the very beginning of a bezier patch.

i don't see that anywhere.  i've looked down at the very bottom,
and then at the bottom of each of the create, modify, select,
and edit tabs that sit to the right of the screen.

any help would be appreciated.

thank you, miker

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> well i'm not batting too well here.  i'm running thru the moray
> tutorial in the povray docs for bicubic patches, and it tells me
> to click the "extended edit" at the bottom of the moray window
> after i've created the very beginning of a bezier patch.
> 
> i don't see that anywhere.  i've looked down at the very bottom,
> and then at the bottom of each of the create, modify, select,
> and edit tabs that sit to the right of the screen.
> 
> any help would be appreciated.

Create the patch object, select your various options and then the thing I 
think you're looking for is the 'Edit' tab to the right of the 'Select' 
tab in the top right of your screen.

Bye for now,
     Jamie.

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thanks jamie,

i got one teepee mdl built.  the povray user documentation sort
of confuses me...  i assumed that the intro to moray given for the
bezier patch is for a beginner, but then it vaguely tells me to
create a dummy texture and apply it to the object.  i say, "huh?
how in heck do i do that?"   ;-)

i think i'm gonna hafta run thru some of the tutorials i've found in
moray's online docs.

thanks again for responding.

miker


"Jamie Davison" <jam### [at] ntlworldcom> wrote in message
news:MPG.1622c16c7392fc73989a2d@news.povray.org...
> > well i'm not batting too well here.  i'm running thru the moray
> > tutorial in the povray docs for bicubic patches, and it tells me
> > to click the "extended edit" at the bottom of the moray window
> > after i've created the very beginning of a bezier patch.
> >
> > i don't see that anywhere.  i've looked down at the very bottom,
> > and then at the bottom of each of the create, modify, select,
> > and edit tabs that sit to the right of the screen.
> >
> > any help would be appreciated.
>
> Create the patch object, select your various options and then the thing I
> think you're looking for is the 'Edit' tab to the right of the 'Select'
> tab in the top right of your screen.
>
> Bye for now,
>      Jamie.

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As Jamie said, the way to make bicubic patches inside Moray is to click in
the bicubic patch button and then click in the "edit" tab in the top right
of the screen to modify it.
Anyway, I've never managed myself to work with that Moray's feature.
Instead of that, I first used sPatch and later Hamapatch to make bicubic
patches (Hamapatch is much more complete and under current development, I
can't live without it ;-).
Both are freeware and both export the models to Moray thru' a plugin, so you
get a .mdl file that you can open in Moray (when you open it in Moray, the
object appear as a bicubic patch).
Those are the better options to me.
If you are interested on Hamapatch, the links are:
The program, help file and a link to the author's guaranteed current version
(last is 2.4):
http://www.hamapatch.t2u.com/
Tutorials, models, plugins and utilities:
http://www.crosswinds.net/~hamapatch/

Hope this helps.
--
Txemi Jendrix
tji### [at] euskalnetnet
http://www.geocities.com/txemijendrix


> hello,
>
> well i'm not batting too well here.  i'm running thru the moray
> tutorial in the povray docs for bicubic patches, and it tells me
> to click the "extended edit" at the bottom of the moray window
> after i've created the very beginning of a bezier patch.
>
> i don't see that anywhere.  i've looked down at the very bottom,
> and then at the bottom of each of the create, modify, select,
> and edit tabs that sit to the right of the screen.
>
> any help would be appreciated.
>
> thank you, miker
>
>

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where does it say 'extended edit'?  try to be as specific as possible so
i can change it in the next version.  also, i hadn't realized when i did
the screen captures that my desktop colors were that different from
windows standard colors.  do you find the images hard to read
(yes/no/hadn't noticed)?  also, are there any other comments you have
about the help system?  is it complete?  are there tutorials you'd like
to see that aren't in there?

thanks,
ryan

MR wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> well i'm not batting too well here.  i'm running thru the moray
> tutorial in the povray docs for bicubic patches, and it tells me
> to click the "extended edit" at the bottom of the moray window
> after i've created the very beginning of a bezier patch.
> 
> i don't see that anywhere.  i've looked down at the very bottom,
> and then at the bottom of each of the create, modify, select,
> and edit tabs that sit to the right of the screen.
> 
> any help would be appreciated.
> 
> thank you, miker

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hi ryan,

are you the pov-ray docs person?  please note that my comments
are on the POV-RAY tutorial for moray.  its halfway down page 26
of the pov-ray 3.1g user documentation dated may 1999.  its also
2.4.1 Bicubic Patch Object.

i posted here for help...  i was not posting a suspected documentation
error, although i guess its turned into that.  to be honest with you,
there are several discrepancies.  there is no "ufrm scl" in the
transformation box either.

and if this is a total first user intro to moray (as it should be.
otherwise, you need to state in the docs that a person needs to
take the time to run thru all the tutorials.  then you can just dispense
with the whole section and say "go to moray and make patches"),
then the part at the bottom of p.26 about "go make a texture" is
not even close to jump-starting a beginner.

none of this is a big deal.  as most programmers, i'm used to
this sort of incorrect instruction with severe knowledge gaps
in it.  i'm merely going to run thru the moray tutorials first, and
then come back to the pov-ray bicubic patch tutorial with a bit
more knowledge.  the only kicker is that i'm trying to learn pov-
ray, not moray, but its starting to become apparent that a third
party patch or mesh maker is pretty much standard ancillary
software for using pov-ray.

thanks, miker


"Ryan Constantine" <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:3BBAA42D.9CA9BB7E@yahoo.com...
> where does it say 'extended edit'?  try to be as specific as possible so
> i can change it in the next version.  also, i hadn't realized when i did
> the screen captures that my desktop colors were that different from
> windows standard colors.  do you find the images hard to read
> (yes/no/hadn't noticed)?  also, are there any other comments you have
> about the help system?  is it complete?  are there tutorials you'd like
> to see that aren't in there?
>
> thanks,
> ryan
>
> MR wrote:
> >
> > hello,
> >
> > well i'm not batting too well here.  i'm running thru the moray
> > tutorial in the povray docs for bicubic patches, and it tells me
> > to click the "extended edit" at the bottom of the moray window
> > after i've created the very beginning of a bezier patch.
> >
> > i don't see that anywhere.  i've looked down at the very bottom,
> > and then at the bottom of each of the create, modify, select,
> > and edit tabs that sit to the right of the screen.
> >
> > any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > thank you, miker

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Txemi Jendrix wrote in message <3bb9179f@news.povray.org>...

>Anyway, I've never managed myself to work with that Moray's feature.
>Instead of that, I first used sPatch and later Hamapatch to make
bicubic
>patches (Hamapatch is much more complete and under current
development, I
>can't live without it ;-).

Couldn't agree with you more! Between them - Moray, HamaPatch and
3dWin - there's a lot of power. I too really love HamaPatch
(especially with the AmLoft plugin) - it's simply superb for sketch
(and organic) work (even, funnily enough, for architectural sketch
designs, which is what I use it for). Even more, screenshots of it in
action can be used (with some help from Gimp) for nice pencil-sketch
drawing looks. The only thing really lacking in it (for me) is CSG.

Regards,
-Anoop

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> >Anyway, I've never managed myself to work with that Moray's feature.
> >Instead of that, I first used sPatch and later Hamapatch to make
> bicubic
> >patches (Hamapatch is much more complete and under current
> development, I
> >can't live without it ;-).
> 
> Couldn't agree with you more! Between them - Moray, HamaPatch and
> 3dWin - there's a lot of power. I too really love HamaPatch
> (especially with the AmLoft plugin)

Plugin?  Where can I find it, and what does it do?

Bye for now,
     jamie.

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> > (especially with the AmLoft plugin)
>
> Plugin?  Where can I find it, and what does it do?

Hi Jamie:

You can find the AmLoft utility (it's an utility, not a plugin) in the
plugins and utilities link in this page:
http://www.crosswinds.net/~hamapatch/

About what do it does:
AmLoft is an external utility allowing for the use of lofting commands such
as: Splice, Skin, Revolve, Extrude, Single Rail Loft and Double Rail Loft.
To use this you must export your guiding structures to Animation Master
format and then import the new Animation Master file back into hamaPatch (it
is worth it for some features).

In the utilities page you can find other interesting utility called IOB
Object Browser, which convert 3DS and IOB files to Animation Master MDL
format for use in hamaPatch.

Hope this helps.
--
Txemi Jendrix
tji### [at] euskalnetnet
http://www.geocities.com/txemijendrix

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> Couldn't agree with you more! Between them - Moray, HamaPatch and
> 3dWin - there's a lot of power.

You have another freeware solution (actually the one I use right now)
called:
Hamapatch and Poseray (about this last one, the last version was sent by its
author to p.b.u. recently)

>The only thing really lacking in it (for me) is CSG.

Perhaps in the future, who knows.

See you.

--
Txemi Jendrix
tji### [at] euskalnetnet
http://www.geocities.com/txemijendrix

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