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Can it be done? Do we have the technology?
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:40:59 -0400, "Angbandit"
<h_t### [at] bellsouth com> wrote:
>Can it be done? Do we have the technology?
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I`m currently working on a 3d import/export plugin for Moray.
Be a little bit patient. First beta will come very soon.
-tb
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Thomas Baier wrote in message >I`m currently working on a 3d import/export
plugin for Moray.
>Be a little bit patient. First beta will come very soon.
>
>-tb
Wow, that's Wonderful news! Looks like my purchase of Moray will have to be
sooner than I thought - originally scheduled for when I could afford Rhino
(I'd keep 'looking' at Moray and wishing wistfully it could be used in my
work). Moray, 3dWin and Hamapatch - what a trio it could be: all
complementing each other so well - only few things missing like Nurbs and
snaps.
Incidentally, those of you interested in using the Rhino+Moray combo may
care to check out this link:
http://cadopia.beyond.com/Product/0,1057,3-6-SN107744,00.html : that's
TrueSpace for Intellicad, all of 239 US$. Intellicad is the 'freeware' (in
basic form) Autocad 'clone'. Maybe TSforIcad+3dWin+Moray could be, for most
people, near as useful as Rhino+Moray: what it would lack in some areas it
would make up in others - at half the cost to boot!
(Both these news come *just* after plunking for truespace5 - available now
for 299$. Am expecting it any moment now. Arrgh!)
Regards,
-Anoop
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You sound like a knowlegable fellow so let me ask you this. I use Moray for
anything and everything I can think of... but the one thing I can't get it
to do is make decent landforms... not heightfields but more like...
something you would get if you exported out of Leveller. Lately, whatever I
get out of Leveller and put into Moray doesn't seem to want to render in
POVray. I use 3dWin to transfer from a dxf to a Povray/Moray format. Used
to work for older versions of moray when I went from dxf to raw. Now it
just calls me dumb and ignores me. I guess what I would like to do is make
a mesh landform that I can put neat little Moray structures on (yes, I am
trying to make a myst-like game). Any advice or am I better of waiting for
the Moray export/import plugin?
Anoop Kumar <ano### [at] flashmailcom> wrote in message
news:3b82722a@news.povray.org...
>
> Thomas Baier wrote in message >I`m currently working on a 3d import/export
> plugin for Moray.
> >Be a little bit patient. First beta will come very soon.
> >
> >-tb
>
> Wow, that's Wonderful news! Looks like my purchase of Moray will have to
be
> sooner than I thought - originally scheduled for when I could afford Rhino
> (I'd keep 'looking' at Moray and wishing wistfully it could be used in my
> work). Moray, 3dWin and Hamapatch - what a trio it could be: all
> complementing each other so well - only few things missing like Nurbs and
> snaps.
>
> Incidentally, those of you interested in using the Rhino+Moray combo may
> care to check out this link:
> http://cadopia.beyond.com/Product/0,1057,3-6-SN107744,00.html : that's
> TrueSpace for Intellicad, all of 239 US$. Intellicad is the 'freeware' (in
> basic form) Autocad 'clone'. Maybe TSforIcad+3dWin+Moray could be, for
most
> people, near as useful as Rhino+Moray: what it would lack in some areas it
> would make up in others - at half the cost to boot!
>
> (Both these news come *just* after plunking for truespace5 - available now
> for 299$. Am expecting it any moment now. Arrgh!)
>
> Regards,
>
> -Anoop
>
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Hi Angbandit,
While I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as you seem to think but I'll try
my level best to answer . I'm not sure it will work as I've just started
'lookintg' into the landscape programs to try to use it in my work. But
here goes:
>to do is make decent landforms... not heightfields but more like...
>something you would get if you exported out of Leveller. Lately, whatever
I
>get out of Leveller and put into Moray doesn't seem to want to render in
>POVray. I use 3dWin to transfer from a dxf to a Povray/Moray format.
Actually this *should* work, unless you're trying to use it in CSG.
But you could alternatively try something like this:
1. Export to RAW & then create it as a RAW object in Moray. Maybe could be
even used in CSG, if you're lucky.
2.Create your landscape in Terragenand open it in Forester - there's
freeware versions of both too if you want. Export your Moray to pov format
and composite both in Forester (there's a tutorial on the site for
converting & using other objects in forester) Then fine-tune in PovRay.
3. Export from whatever program as a heightfield map (bmp?tga? - is this
the correct terminology?) then create a plane (or whatever) and apply the
map to it.
4. Use the 'mesh importer' plugin from Alexander Enzmann - imports 3ds and
Wavefront (?) works quite well, far as I remember
5. Try either/all of this or wait for somebody *really* knowledgeable like
Baier, Lutz himself, Warp (a POV TAG member) etc to reply :-)
>trying to make a myst-like game).
Good Luck: I really enjoyed Myst, almost fully for it's graphics only -
when I had it a few years back.But, I wonder, would any of these
alternatives be low-polygon enough for games modelling?
Any advice or am I better of waiting for >the Moray export/import plugin?
Well, of course, a lot many options will be available after this comes out.
And, from what I've seen of 3dWin (unregistered) well worth the wait.
Hope this helps. If you can wait 15 days or so - I'll probably be needing
some landscape work in what I'm doing now (architectural) - should be able
to come up with something better (If this doesn't work).
Regards,
--Anoop
PS: How do you export dxf from Leveller? - didn't know it had that option.
Also - I'm not sure - I remember seeing a tutorial on creating heightfields
with Leveller and Forester: in which case you could use this, along with
exporting from Moray and 'compositing'
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Well, I'll just wait on the plugin. I'd love to help you with your work,
just let me know. Just a few thoughts on a myst like game. Looking back at
the software used to make the original Myst (not the 30 differnt
incarnations since), it seemed like it would be a cinch to raise a grayscale
and model some neat building and use animation for some puzzles... or if one
could not get the animation to work, then just update the screen
constantly... but was I ever wrong. First I need the tools. I could wander
all over the net looking for a copy of "ahem" 3dmax... but I just don't want
to start down that road. Oh well.
Anoop Kumar <ano### [at] flashmailcom> wrote in message
news:3b828b88@news.povray.org...
> Hi Angbandit,
>
> While I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as you seem to think but I'll try
> my level best to answer . I'm not sure it will work as I've just started
> 'lookintg' into the landscape programs to try to use it in my work. But
> here goes:
>
>
> >to do is make decent landforms... not heightfields but more like...
> >something you would get if you exported out of Leveller. Lately,
whatever
> I
> >get out of Leveller and put into Moray doesn't seem to want to render in
> >POVray. I use 3dWin to transfer from a dxf to a Povray/Moray format.
>
> Actually this *should* work, unless you're trying to use it in CSG.
> But you could alternatively try something like this:
> 1. Export to RAW & then create it as a RAW object in Moray. Maybe could be
> even used in CSG, if you're lucky.
> 2.Create your landscape in Terragenand open it in Forester - there's
> freeware versions of both too if you want. Export your Moray to pov format
> and composite both in Forester (there's a tutorial on the site for
> converting & using other objects in forester) Then fine-tune in PovRay.
> 3. Export from whatever program as a heightfield map (bmp?tga? - is this
> the correct terminology?) then create a plane (or whatever) and apply the
> map to it.
> 4. Use the 'mesh importer' plugin from Alexander Enzmann - imports 3ds and
> Wavefront (?) works quite well, far as I remember
> 5. Try either/all of this or wait for somebody *really* knowledgeable like
> Baier, Lutz himself, Warp (a POV TAG member) etc to reply :-)
>
> >trying to make a myst-like game).
>
> Good Luck: I really enjoyed Myst, almost fully for it's graphics only -
> when I had it a few years back.But, I wonder, would any of these
> alternatives be low-polygon enough for games modelling?
>
> Any advice or am I better of waiting for >the Moray export/import plugin?
>
> Well, of course, a lot many options will be available after this comes
out.
> And, from what I've seen of 3dWin (unregistered) well worth the wait.
>
> Hope this helps. If you can wait 15 days or so - I'll probably be needing
> some landscape work in what I'm doing now (architectural) - should be able
> to come up with something better (If this doesn't work).
>
> Regards,
>
> --Anoop
>
> PS: How do you export dxf from Leveller? - didn't know it had that option.
> Also - I'm not sure - I remember seeing a tutorial on creating
heightfields
> with Leveller and Forester: in which case you could use this, along with
> exporting from Moray and 'compositing'
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Hi Angbandit,
Angbandit wrote in message <3b848d6b@news.povray.org>...
Looking back at
>the software used to make the original Myst
Wasn't that Strata StudioPro? I have the freeware (& now, discontinued)
version with me.
>constantly... but was I ever wrong. First I need the tools. I could
wander
>all over the net looking for a copy of "ahem" 3dmax... but I just don't
want
3dsMax costs the earth (by my standards, atleast:-)) and has a quite steep
learning level. (Though, if you can learn Pov-Ray, there's absolutely no
reason you can't learn that, too) I would suggest you look at Blender if
Moray doesn't give you what you want (I really don't know much about
game-modelling, sorry, excepting the little I read when learning 3dsMax).
It has quite a few advantages over Moray in *that* field. In that they are
concentrating on game-making (& so have tools specifically for that
purpose - AND you can tutorials dealing with that).
Also, you can use Python within it to make it go even further - including
scripts for exporting to Povray/BMRT etc. AND plugins like 'blend2ter'
which allow you to export_to/import_from Terragen, that quite
wonderful landscape modeller/renderer.
Check out these links if you have the time:
http://www.blendermania.com/gallery
http://www.planetannihilation.com/terragen/blendertuts.shtml
http://www.users.skynet.be/sky33676/ter2blend1.html
(the rendering may not be of Pov-Ray's standards but probably good enough
for most games. And you can always export to Pov-Ray and fine-tune it.)
It has an obtuse interface that may take a bit getting used to but, once
you get past that barrier, it's surprising simple to use. Also, like with
Pov-Ray, there are a lot of tutors available and a lot of very helpful
people.
I hate sounding like a salesman but do try it - you'll be surprised.
Regards,
-Anoop
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