Hi
I am Kinda begginer...

most work we do at our RTS game is modeled with Anim8or...because of
no twist/extrude/bend/ etc in MoRay...but dont get me wrong
we like Moray a lot...we used "Bare POV Ray" to fix up our scenes..

Lately we try to use MORAY to place meshes/lights..etc into the scene
and then...well... then we need to do some extra hand work (mainly path
animations and effects)
in POV Ray again by hand ... (until the right plugin)

My problem/question: WHY is the camera system (rght hand) so diffrent
from
POVRay (left handed)...and consequentialy: is there any way to convince
MORAY to export
in a "standard" (for me of course) Right hand system....?

we still have to do a lot of "by hand" work in POVRay...and this is
difference is most annoying... 

i liked a lot my  "Z going into the screen " system

Thx
Bogdan

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Bogdan <bog### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
: is there any way to convince MORAY to export
: in a "standard" (for me of course) Right hand system....?

  The coordinate system in Moray is right handed. The default one in povray
is left-handed. Perhaps you meant how to convert the the scene into
left-handed?
  Well, AFAIK Moray doesn't support that at all (don't ask me why).
  In povray, however, you can switch to right-handed system identical to
Moray's. Another way is to just convert the object exported by Moray to
left-handed (rotate x*-90 scale <1,1,-1>).

-- 
char*i="b[7FK@`3NB6>B:b3O6>:B:b3O6><`3:;8:6f733:>::b?7B>:>^B>C73;S1";
main(_,c,m){for(m=32;c=*i++-49;c&m?puts(""):m)for(_=(
c/4)&7;putchar(m),_--?m:(_=(1<<(c&3))-1,(m^=3)&3););}    /*- Warp -*/

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hi
Thx warp
thats exacltly what i needed: a way to convert from
Moray to POVRay "by hand" so to speak...

i am a beginner (somehow) and i just find it hard to deal
wit the "up" and "right" vectors just cant understand them totally
also having problems with orthographic...so Moray's "right handed
system" 
was just adding "stress" to it

I was under the impression MORAY is here to help POVRAY users :)
maybe the next version will add an option to use POVRAY's "left handed"
system ... maybe...

It will sure help me a lot :)


Warp wrote:
> 
> Bogdan <bog### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> : is there any way to convince MORAY to export
> : in a "standard" (for me of course) Right hand system....?
> 
>   The coordinate system in Moray is right handed. The default one in povray
> is left-handed. Perhaps you meant how to convert the the scene into
> left-handed?
>   Well, AFAIK Moray doesn't support that at all (don't ask me why).
>   In povray, however, you can switch to right-handed system identical to
> Moray's. Another way is to just convert the object exported by Moray to
> left-handed (rotate x*-90 scale <1,1,-1>).
> 
> --
> char*i="b[7FK@`3NB6>B:b3O6>:B:b3O6><`3:;8:6f733:>::b?7B>:>^B>C73;S1";
> main(_,c,m){for(m=32;c=*i++-49;c&m?puts(""):m)for(_=(
> c/4)&7;putchar(m),_--?m:(_=(1<<(c&3))-1,(m^=3)&3););}    /*- Warp -*/

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:00:10 +0200 Bogdan wrote:

>thats exacltly what i needed: a way to convert from
>Moray to POVRay "by hand" so to speak...

  Hi, Bogdan. If you go to John Van Sickle's macro page below, he has a
declared transform called FlipYZ that can be used to convert objects in
Moray to the default POV-Ray left-handed system.

http://enphilistor.users4.50megs.com/macs.htm

>I was under the impression MORAY is here to help POVRAY users :)
>maybe the next version will add an option to use POVRAY's "left handed"
>system ... maybe...

  Lutz has stated on many occasions that he modeled (no pun intended) Moray
on professional-type CAD programs that he had used and they used a
right-handed coordinate system.

  I would suggest that if an option to use the left-handed system is really
what folks want for Moray, they should all register the program and *then*
voice an opinion. I'm a registered user and while I feel it would be a
welcome addition to a future version of Moray, it isn't something that
really hampers scenes I create with it.

-- 
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>   I would suggest that if an option to use the left-handed system is
really
> what folks want for Moray, they should all register the program and *then*
> voice an opinion. I'm a registered user and while I feel it would be a
> welcome addition to a future version of Moray, it isn't something that
> really hampers scenes I create with it.

same here, if you could switch the system used by moray, while it would be a
welcome feature, I cannot honestly say I would use it that much.


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Alan Kong <ako### [at] povrayno-spamorg> wrote:
:   I would suggest that if an option to use the left-handed system is really
: what folks want for Moray, they should all register the program and *then*
: voice an opinion.

  One could also think that one doesn't want to register the program until
it supports features that make it comfortable to use...
  I myself still have serious problems with the coordinate system in Moray
when I use it (I seldom do, though), specially when I want to enter some
transformations in the numerical field. I just get very confused.

-- 
char*i="b[7FK@`3NB6>B:b3O6>:B:b3O6><`3:;8:6f733:>::b?7B>:>^B>C73;S1";
main(_,c,m){for(m=32;c=*i++-49;c&m?puts(""):m)for(_=(
c/4)&7;putchar(m),_--?m:(_=(1<<(c&3))-1,(m^=3)&3););}    /*- Warp -*/

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Now i will register the program dont worry...
just i have to get the money...here in Romania
100USD is one mont payment for the average ppl...
so 150DEM is a lot ..:(

but i will...because i like Moray...

Doese that mean that after i register i have more or less truth?

Or does the registered version use a "Left Hand" axe system?

Warp wrote:
> 
> Alan Kong <ako### [at] povrayno-spamorg> wrote:
> :   I would suggest that if an option to use the left-handed system is really
> : what folks want for Moray, they should all register the program and *then*
> : voice an opinion.
> 
>   One could also think that one doesn't want to register the program until
> it supports features that make it comfortable to use...
>   I myself still have serious problems with the coordinate system in Moray
> when I use it (I seldom do, though), specially when I want to enter some
> transformations in the numerical field. I just get very confused.
> 
> --
> char*i="b[7FK@`3NB6>B:b3O6>:B:b3O6><`3:;8:6f733:>::b?7B>:>^B>C73;S1";
> main(_,c,m){for(m=32;c=*i++-49;c&m?puts(""):m)for(_=(
> c/4)&7;putchar(m),_--?m:(_=(1<<(c&3))-1,(m^=3)&3););}    /*- Warp -*/

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Bogdan <bog### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
: Or does the registered version use a "Left Hand" axe system?

  AFAIK the unregistered version has full functionality and registering the
program doesn't add anything new to it (please correct me if I remember
wrong). By registering you get rid of the registration messages which start
to appear when you work on a scene for a period of time. And of course you
help developing the program to be even better.

-- 
char*i="b[7FK@`3NB6>B:b3O6>:B:b3O6><`3:;8:6f733:>::b?7B>:>^B>C73;S1";
main(_,c,m){for(m=32;c=*i++-49;c&m?puts(""):m)for(_=(
c/4)&7;putchar(m),_--?m:(_=(1<<(c&3))-1,(m^=3)&3););}    /*- Warp -*/

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