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I'd love to see a new feature for Moray, probably in the duplication
feild.
Let's say I want to make a row of icicles off the edge of a roof. I have
my icicle object, and I copy it 10 times, with a x translation of 5
units.
But this just looks silly. No icicles are this neat. It would be nice to
translate them all 5 units, +/- 2 units, to get clumps, and gaps. Also,
scaling them at 1x, +/- 0.5 ould provide a nice variation in lengths.
As is, this can be done manually, which is fine for 10 icicles. But if I
wanted to make 100 icicles, then things become ackward.
Perhaps a plugin, to emulat the duplicate feature could be used, but I
don;t know how hard it would be...
Simon
http://home.istar.ca/~sdevet
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Simon de Vet <sde### [at] istar ca> wrote:
: As is, this can be done manually, which is fine for 10 icicles. But if I
: wanted to make 100 icicles, then things become ackward.
Why? You can put 100000 objects exactly as easyly as 10 objects.
See the help about #while.
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main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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I think what he is asking for(and I have already asked for), is a way to
introduce a random element to the scaling, translation and rotation of
duplicated objects.
Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Simon de Vet <sde### [at] istarca> wrote:
> : As is, this can be done manually, which is fine for 10 icicles. But if I
> : wanted to make 100 icicles, then things become ackward.
>
> Why? You can put 100000 objects exactly as easyly as 10 objects.
> See the help about #while.
>
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
--
Only I can prevent narcissism!
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Which is exactly what #while can do for you in a very small amount
of code.
Alex Magidow wrote:
>
> I think what he is asking for(and I have already asked for), is a way to
> introduce a random element to the scaling, translation and rotation of
> duplicated objects.
>
> Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> > Simon de Vet <sde### [at] istarca> wrote:
> > : As is, this can be done manually, which is fine for 10 icicles. But if I
> > : wanted to make 100 icicles, then things become ackward.
> >
> > Why? You can put 100000 objects exactly as easyly as 10 objects.
> > See the help about #while.
> >
> > --
> > main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> > ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
>
> --
> Only I can prevent narcissism!
--
Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Ken wrote:
> Which is exactly what #while can do for you in a very small amount
> of code.
Which would kind of defeat the purpose of having a Modeller....
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Simon de Vet wrote:
>
> Ken wrote:
>
> > Which is exactly what #while can do for you in a very small amount
> > of code.
>
> Which would kind of defeat the purpose of having a Modeller....
Not altogether true. The modeller is still needed to create the object.
It can also aid in the initial placement of the object in 3D space
before the beginning of the loop as well as establish the number of
iterations of the object that are needed for the length of the path it's
to be copied along. This would certainly save a lot of preprocessing
steps required if hand coding the same function into a pov scene.
Lets face it, a simple rat knows when to jump ship rather that to
allow himself to go down with it. Humans with their superior
intelligence should be able to at least do as well as the rat in this
regard. Same is true with the modeller vs. hand coding functions issue.
You will be at once more knowledgable about how the process works than
your contemporaries who use a modeler alone and at the same time will
have a greater number of options available to you to work with by
choosing to learn how to work in both environments. Modelling programs
have a way of sheilding the user from fully understanding how a process
in pov works and as a result a number of options they could utilize
simply are not becuase of this lack of understanding.
Perhaps a practical solution to the issue at hand would be a simple
plugin the pops up a standard while loop parameter settings window
inside Moray. When the parameters are set the generated code is
appended to the pov file so the results you are looking for are
realized. Maybe there is something I am missing but one of the wiz
kids out there with an extra 20 min. or so could likely have one
working during their one hour lunch break with time left to eat
and relax afterward.
--
Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Ken wrote:
> Simon de Vet wrote:
> >
> > Ken wrote:
> >
> > > Which is exactly what #while can do for you in a very small amount
> > > of code.
> >
> > Which would kind of defeat the purpose of having a Modeller....
>
> Not altogether true. The modeller is still needed to create the object.
> It can also aid in the initial placement of the object in 3D space
> before the beginning of the loop as well as establish the number of
> iterations of the object that are needed for the length of the path it's
> to be copied along. This would certainly save a lot of preprocessing
> steps required if hand coding the same function into a pov scene.
ok, ok... I give in...
I'll just learn the code, then.
As of now, I do use the code for some scene work. I often have used Moray to
place objects, then animated them in POV. Similarly to using the various
incs, like Galaxy, and the Lens Flare (still like Colefax's better than the
plugin)
I should just learn more. However, I don't want to start coding all my scenes
in straight code.. I tihnk that would lead to mroe frustration, and less
progress...
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However, it is still easier to vizualize, and to model specific elements of a
scene within Moray...thus, randomization of translation, scaling, and rotation of
copied objects would be a bit more helpful in Moray. I'm sure that its very
helpful in POV-Ray, but due to the lack of conversion utilities for POV-Ray 3.1,
it would be much easier to do random objects before the export to POV-Ray.
Did that make any sense? Sorry, working off of about 5 hours of sleep.
Ken wrote:
> Which is exactly what #while can do for you in a very small amount
> of code.
>
> Alex Magidow wrote:
> >
> > I think what he is asking for(and I have already asked for), is a way to
> > introduce a random element to the scaling, translation and rotation of
> > duplicated objects.
> >
> > Nieminen Mika wrote:
> >
> > > Simon de Vet <sde### [at] istarca> wrote:
> > > : As is, this can be done manually, which is fine for 10 icicles. But if I
> > > : wanted to make 100 icicles, then things become ackward.
> > >
> > > Why? You can put 100000 objects exactly as easyly as 10 objects.
> > > See the help about #while.
> > >
> > > --
> > > main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> > > ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
> >
> > --
> > Only I can prevent narcissism!
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
--
Only I can prevent narcissism!
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YES YES YES!! I'm trying to make a long hedge out of a single smaller
plant, but to make it look any good I need to have each copy rotated,
scaled, and moved slightly differently. This is impossible (nearly) to
do with hundreds of copies. This would be an excellent feature. I
don't think it would really be that hard to add either. Please someone
please!! :-)
Kyle
Simon de Vet wrote:
>
> I'd love to see a new feature for Moray, probably in the duplication
> feild.
>
> Let's say I want to make a row of icicles off the edge of a roof. I have
> my icicle object, and I copy it 10 times, with a x translation of 5
> units.
>
> But this just looks silly. No icicles are this neat. It would be nice to
> translate them all 5 units, +/- 2 units, to get clumps, and gaps. Also,
> scaling them at 1x, +/- 0.5 ould provide a nice variation in lengths.
>
> As is, this can be done manually, which is fine for 10 icicles. But if I
> wanted to make 100 icicles, then things become ackward.
>
> Perhaps a plugin, to emulat the duplicate feature could be used, but I
> don;t know how hard it would be...
>
> Simon
> http://home.istar.ca/~sdevet
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Anyhow it would be nice to have a noise check box in the duplication dialog
or ...
a scripting language like in Breeze
Philippe
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