After looking at this link, I did a bit of looking at past IRTCs and noticed
a certain person has only entered 5 times.  Can anyone see a trend here?

November-December 1999 - Topic: Gardens
FIRST PLACE  -  Harvest time ! (gt_eden.jpg) by Gilles Tran

March-April 2000 - Topic: City
FIRST PLACE  -  The wet bird (gt_city.jpg) by Gilles Tran

November-December 2000 - Topic: Contrast
FIRST PLACE  -  The thin wall (gt_wall.jpg) by Gilles Tran

March-April 2001 - Topic: Fortress
FIRST PLACE  -  The chess game (gt_chess.jpg) by Gilles Tran

November-December 2001 - Topic: Spirit of Asia
FIRST PLACE  -  Little red riding dragon (gt_asia.jpg) by Gilles Tran


BTW, the November-December 2002 round is almost upon us, no pressure Gilles!

-tgq

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"TinCanMan" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> After looking at this link, I did a bit of looking at past IRTCs and
noticed

Sorry, this link: http://www.zenial.nl/irtc/

-tgq

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This is not the whole truth!
Gilles phantastic irtc track record is disturbed by this entry:    ;-)

http://www.zenial.nl/irtc/gm_field@24.jpg

If you don´t believe me, look at the right side of the image.

Norbert




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"TinCanMan" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3dbeee96@news.povray.org...
> After looking at this link, I did a bit of looking at past IRTCs and
noticed
> a certain person has only entered 5 times.  Can anyone see a trend here?
>
> November-December 1999 - Topic: Gardens
> FIRST PLACE  -  Harvest time ! (gt_eden.jpg) by Gilles Tran
>
> March-April 2000 - Topic: City
> FIRST PLACE  -  The wet bird (gt_city.jpg) by Gilles Tran
>
> November-December 2000 - Topic: Contrast
> FIRST PLACE  -  The thin wall (gt_wall.jpg) by Gilles Tran
>
> March-April 2001 - Topic: Fortress
> FIRST PLACE  -  The chess game (gt_chess.jpg) by Gilles Tran
>
> November-December 2001 - Topic: Spirit of Asia
> FIRST PLACE  -  Little red riding dragon (gt_asia.jpg) by Gilles Tran
>
>
> BTW, the November-December 2002 round is almost upon us, no pressure
Gilles!
>
> -tgq
>
>

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Norbert Kern wrote:
> 
> This is not the whole truth!
> Gilles phantastic irtc track record is disturbed by this entry:    ;-)
> 

But this still does not explain what has happened in March-April 2002...

;-)

Christoph

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Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
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>
> But this still does not explain what has happened in March-April 2002...
>

Winter? Did Gilles enter under an alias in that round?

 -Shay

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"Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
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> This is not the whole truth!
> Gilles phantastic irtc track record is disturbed by this entry:    ;-)
>
> http://www.zenial.nl/irtc/gm_field@24.jpg
>
> If you don´t believe me, look at the right side of the image.
>
> Norbert

I guess that'll teach him for using a pseudonym.

-tgq

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TinCanMan <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> After looking at this link, I did a bit of looking at past IRTCs and
noticed
> a certain person has only entered 5 times.  Can anyone see a trend here?
>

The trend is that Gilles has the desire and smarts to take full advantage of
the lenient rules of the IRTC. I am not aware of another CG competition
which allows the use of third party models and textures. An image like Wet
Bird is the product of likely 1,000+ artist hours when Gilles' time and the
time of those who produced the car models, building photographs, poser maps,
etc. is combined.

The ten to fifteen hours of their own time which another artist typically
puts into an IRTC will not produce an image which can compete with something
like that. Of course, Gilles also has *serious* chops. He is incredible at
texturing, lighting, composition, and even modeling.

Gilles plays the game the way it was meant to be played. More power to him.
I have considered trying to create a competitive IRTC entry in the past
using his methods but just don't have the interest in those techniques to
spend the time required to create a scene that way. I have created a
spectacular landscape image, but am still deciding whether or not to send it
in because the competitive part of me knows that I did not take full
advantage of the rules.

 -Shay

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Shay wrote:
> 
> The trend is that Gilles has the desire and smarts to take full advantage of
> the lenient rules of the IRTC. I am not aware of another CG competition
> which allows the use of third party models and textures.

I disagree about the rules of the IRTC being strange in that concern. 
Already the phrase 'third party models and textures' shows that
disallowing them would be much more artificial. 'third party' implies all
'second parts' things (i.e. things coming with the renderers standard
library) are allowed.  Now some renderers have a large library of meshes
and image maps included (although usually of quite limited quality) while
others have not.

> An image like Wet
> Bird is the product of likely 1,000+ artist hours when Gilles' time and the
> time of those who produced the car models, building photographs, poser maps,
> etc. is combined.

Concerning this specific image i don't think the car models add that much
to the artistic and technical value of the image.  

And apart from that every voter is free to take the use of things not
created by the artist himself into account when voting.  I try to do so,
if the artist did not specify which things are self made i also tend to
lower the scores due to lack of this important information.  None the less
in most outstanding images the elements reused from elsewhere play a
limited role in the overall result and with some experience it's fairly
easy to see if a scene is only some ready-made elements thrown together or
shows artistic and technical ability.

Christoph

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Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> I disagree about the rules of the IRTC being strange in that concern.
> <snip>

I don't believe that the rules are strange, just lenient. It isn't a
criticism.


>
> Concerning this specific image i don't think the car models add that much
> to the artistic and technical value of the image.
>

No, but they increase the realism and complexity, qualities which past IRTC
results have shown to be extremely important to the voters. All 5 of Gilles
winning entries even had the highest concept scores.


> And apart from that every voter is free to take the use of things not
> created by the artist himself into account when voting.  I try to do so,
> if the artist did not specify which things are self made i also tend to
> lower the scores due to lack of this important information.  None the less
> in most outstanding images the elements reused from elsewhere play a
> limited role in the overall result and with some experience it's fairly
> easy to see if a scene is only some ready-made elements thrown together or
> shows artistic and technical ability.
>

Of course, but even taking those things into account, 1,000 hours of work
make an incredible impression which will heavily influence the scores of
most judges if the comments from past rounds are any indication. I don't
think that Gilles is taking an advantage, rather that the other talented
people entering the competition are handicapping themselves. I do not
believe it likely that this handicap can be overcome. A great image can be
made without these things. Gilles own Eden may be an example. Gilles doesn't
need these things to win, but he will not be beaten again until some other
talented entrant starts taking advantage of every tool available to him.

 -Shay

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"Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote in message news:3dc186fa@news.povray.org...

>Gilles doesn't
> need these things to win, but he will not be beaten again until some other
> talented entrant starts taking advantage of every tool available to him.

    Heh... 'Life' is a competition Shay. You don't use the best tool going for you
to forward yourself in real life?

       At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter with this competition does
it? I see it as fun and tutorial. I would hazard a guess that most people really
hope that Gilles (or any other big names has entered) - *just to see what it is
that they have to do* to get that number one slot like he has so often. So, in
that respect, you're not wrong. I see his Art as a guidance and not a hinderence
in any way.

     Hope you send yours in.

     ~Steve~




>
>  -Shay
>
>

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St. <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:3dc18b38@news.povray.org...
>
>     Heh... 'Life' is a competition Shay. You don't use the best tool going
for you
> to forward yourself in real life?
>

I would never suggest otherwise. I would suggest anyone competing do the
same, *not* the other way around. I think that perhaps I am being
misunderstood on that point.


>        At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter with this
competition does
> it? I see it as fun and tutorial. I would hazard a guess that most people
really
> hope that Gilles (or any other big names has entered) - *just to see what
it is
> that they have to do* to get that number one slot like he has so often.
So, in
> that respect, you're not wrong. I see his Art as a guidance and not a
hinderence
> in any way.
>

I see his art as a guidance as well. Again, I think that I am being
misunderstood. I also always hope that the "big names" enter. I am only
stating that if someone wants to compete at Gilles level then *methodology*
as well as talent and skill will be crucial.

 -Shay

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> But this still does not explain what has happened in March-April 2002...
>
> ;-)


Christoph,
I know you are from northern germany and therefore you wouldn´t make a joke
or so.
But I have looked at every image of the "winter" round and I´m not able to
recognize any of the entries as another hidden Gilles Tranesque one (and I´m
believing to know every single published image from him).

So please share your knowledge!


Norbert

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just my 2 pennys-worth, but I've always had the impression that Gilles only
enters if his current project matches the current IRTC topic.

jim

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"Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote in message news:3dc18d19$1@news.povray.org...
>
> St. <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:3dc18b38@news.povray.org...
> >
> >     Heh... 'Life' is a competition Shay. You don't use the best tool going
> for you
> > to forward yourself in real life?
> >
>
> I would never suggest otherwise. I would suggest anyone competing do the
> same, *not* the other way around. I think that perhaps I am being
> misunderstood on that point.

    Well, yes, in a text based conversation, it's easy to do sometimes, but I
wrote what I wrote with both comparables in mind just in case and leaned on the
slightly heavier side.  ;)


>
>
> >        At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter with this
> competition does
> > it? I see it as fun and tutorial. I would hazard a guess that most people
> really
> > hope that Gilles (or any other big names has entered) - *just to see what
> it is
> > that they have to do* to get that number one slot like he has so often.
> So, in
> > that respect, you're not wrong. I see his Art as a guidance and not a
> hinderence
> > in any way.
> >
>
> I see his art as a guidance as well. Again, I think that I am being
> misunderstood. I also always hope that the "big names" enter. I am only
> stating that if someone wants to compete at Gilles level then *methodology*
> as well as talent and skill will be crucial.

     Ah. Methodology. A skill in its own right. I think you're right, and I think
it's the crux of the matter in the case of 'this' competition. The thing is,
people want to see skill in whatever form it takes as long as it's legal for the
competition involved.

       But skill is a subjective matter. I have a CG image on my desktop (not by
me), that people almost swoon over when they see it. It's a motorbike, a very
*nice* motorbike. The thing is though, is that I can see all the mistakes, the
scaling mistakes, thickness mistakes, texture mistakes and general mistakes all in
all. I don't dare point them out, but for what it is and the way it looks, I would
say that it would rate fairly high in this comp. if entered.

    Beauty 'is', as always, skin-deep.

      ~Steve~



>
>  -Shay
>
>

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Norbert Kern wrote:
> 
> Christoph,
> I know you are from northern germany and therefore you wouldn´t make a joke
> or so.

Now what's that supposed to mean...?

> But I have looked at every image of the "winter" round and I´m not able to
> recognize any of the entries as another hidden Gilles Tranesque one (and I´m
> believing to know every single published image from him).
> 
> So please share your knowledge!

I really don't think i have any important knowledge to share in that
matter.

Christoph

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"Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
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> > But this still does not explain what has happened in March-April 2002...
> >
> ;-)
> Christoph,
> I know you are from northern germany and therefore you wouldn´t make a
joke
> or so.
> But I have looked at every image of the "winter" round and I´m not able to
> recognize any of the entries as another hidden Gilles Tranesque one (and
I´m
> believing to know every single published image from him).
>
> So please share your knowledge!
>
>
> Norbert

I think his point was that Gilles won March/April in 2000 and 2001 as well
as Nov/Dec 1999,2000,2001.  Following this trend, where was Gilles in the
March/April round of this year? Christoph's point being that Gilles didn't
win, didn't even enter.

-tgq

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St. <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:3dc18b38@news.povray.org...
>
>      Hope you send yours in.
>

Thanks. I did. 26 *MEGS* of code in the pile of used, discarded, clean,
messy pages collectively known as "the source." I may as well show the
result.

 -Shay

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"Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote in message news:3dc29f0d@news.povray.org...
>
> St. <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:3dc18b38@news.povray.org...
> >
> >      Hope you send yours in.
> >
>
> Thanks. I did. 26 *MEGS* of code in the pile of used, discarded, clean,
> messy pages collectively known as "the source." I may as well show the
> result.

      26 megs? That puts my measly 12 megs to shame!!  :oP

    Good on you Shay, and good luck.

      ~Steve~


>
>  -Shay
>
>

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"James Taylor" <jim### [at] blueyondercouk> a écrit dans le message de news:
3dc1986a@news.povray.org...
> just my 2 pennys-worth, but I've always had the impression that Gilles
only
> enters if his current project matches the current IRTC topic.
>

That's sums it up actually. Lots of things got in the way of the IRTC this
year. In March-April, Jaime and I did the ISS image (still not available as
it's presently stuck in a laptop in Durban, South Africa) and after that I
made the mistake of accepting commissioned works. As a result, I'm not too
sure about the November-December round as I have several personal pics on
the back burner that I really want to complete before the end of the year.

G.


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Gilles Tran <git### [at] wanadoofr> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
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> In March-April, Jaime and I did the ISS image (still not available as
> it's presently stuck in a laptop in Durban, South Africa)

ISS is the International Space Station?
Two great artists like Jaime and you working together
sounds very well.
Can you tell us more about that?.
Bye

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

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Txemi Jendrix wrote:
> Gilles Tran <git### [at] wanadoofr> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> 3dc3171b@news.povray.org...
> 
>>In March-April, Jaime and I did the ISS image (still not available as
>>it's presently stuck in a laptop in Durban, South Africa)
> 
> 
> ISS is the International Space Station?
> Two great artists like Jaime and you working together
> sounds very well.
> Can you tell us more about that?.

Their collaborative work can be found here:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0211/iss_sts112_big.jpg

;)

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Francois Labreque <fla### [at] videotronca> escribió en el mensaje de
noticias 3DC### [at] videotronca...
> Their collaborative work can be found here:
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0211/iss_sts112_big.jpg

Fantastic image!
Is it all made with pov?

Txemi Jendrix
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Txemi Jendrix wrote:
> 
> Francois Labreque <fla### [at] videotronca> escribió en el mensaje de
> noticias 3DC### [at] videotronca...
> > Their collaborative work can be found here:
> >
> > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0211/iss_sts112_big.jpg
> 
> Fantastic image!
> Is it all made with pov?

Of course!

;)

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"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3dc5462f@news.povray.org...
> ISS is the International Space Station?
> Two great artists like Jaime and you working together
> sounds very well.
> Can you tell us more about that?.

Well, Jaime did a lot of extremely nice CSG models for it. It was made with
3.5 beta.
There's nothing much to say right now unfortunately because we haven't got
the image back :-(
All we know is that Mark Shuttleworth rendered it and that it's in South
Africa ! I hope that we'll get it soon... I don't even have a final version
because the code was slighly modified in orbit. When we get the image, we'll
probably make a "making of" and tell the whole story.

G.


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