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From: H E  Day
Subject: Voting's coming to a close.
Date: 28 Jan 2000 19:04:54
Message: <38922E5E.7B174091@fci.net>
Anyone else have a bad case of nerves???

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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: Voting's coming to a close.
Date: 29 Jan 2000 08:33:10
Message: <3892EE12.1C4A2DBD@erols.com>
H.E. Day wrote:
> 
> Anyone else have a bad case of nerves???

Only on account of the Concept scoring.  That's the one place where
some artists have received undeservedly high scores, and others received
undeservedly low scores.  This has affected the ranking in more than
one round.

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From: H E  Day
Subject: Re: Voting's coming to a close.
Date: 29 Jan 2000 21:02:50
Message: <38939B7B.2C942294@fci.net>
You talking about me? ;)


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From: Mike
Subject: Re: Voting's coming to a close.
Date: 30 Jan 2000 10:20:45
Message: <3894540E.C9303234@aol.com>
> Anyone else have a bad case of nerves???

Not really, but then I'm not in this round.  :-)

-Mike


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From: Nieminen Juha
Subject: Re: Voting's coming to a close.
Date: 30 Jan 2000 10:35:37
Message: <38945a49@news.povray.org>
H.E. Day <hed### [at] fcinet> wrote:
: Anyone else have a bad case of nerves???

  Not really.
  When I saw the topic I thought "hey, this is an easy one; I have chances
here". Too bad that everyone else seems to have thought the same think.
Too many good animations there to expect me to get any high score.

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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: Voting's coming to a close.
Date: 31 Jan 2000 10:57:30
Message: <3895B013.CBE0D38@my-dejanews.com>
<haven't seen results yet>

My first thoughts upon seeing the list of entries was, "Oh, what joy at the
quality of original work--the perfect topic." I was literally choked up ;).
But then as I waded through the list, there appeared to be too many which
screamed as having been regurgitated old material. I wonder if we came down
too hard on that Stills image penalized for being pre-existing when that's
really what the majority of us are doing. . .     JvS's animation was a great
story, looking perfectly realistic, (and I ranked it #2 in my scoring), but it
too was a re-creation of material on his hard drive to a large extent.  I too,
made modifications to two pre-existing characters to make 2 humans and a
robot, and threw a sloppy set around it . . .

I once made a comment in half-jest that we should have eclectic topics like
"JFK."  Someone complained that it would be too hard for many people to do.
In retrospect, the benefit is that it would be too hard to take pre-existing
material and pass it off as being applicable to a topic like "JFK".  Every
entry probably would have to be done from scratch to make it even relevant.
Wouldn't that be a great contest, where every JFK face was something the
person had to complete in the past two months?

Hash has a contest with better topics: I think one was "Partners in Crime."

Nieminen Juha wrote:

> H.E. Day <hed### [at] fcinet> wrote:
> : Anyone else have a bad case of nerves???
>
>   Not really.
>   When I saw the topic I thought "hey, this is an easy one; I have chances
> here". Too bad that everyone else seems to have thought the same think.
> Too many good animations there to expect me to get any high score.


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Voting's coming to a close.
Date: 31 Jan 2000 11:07:23
Message: <3895B2CF.F2453E93@pacbell.net>
"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> 
> <haven't seen results yet>
> 
> My first thoughts upon seeing the list of entries was, "Oh, what joy at the
> quality of original work--the perfect topic." I was literally choked up ;).
> But then as I waded through the list, there appeared to be too many which
> screamed as having been regurgitated old material. I wonder if we came down
> too hard on that Stills image penalized for being pre-existing when that's
> really what the majority of us are doing. . .     JvS's animation was a great
> story, looking perfectly realistic, (and I ranked it #2 in my scoring), but it
> too was a re-creation of material on his hard drive to a large extent.  I too,
> made modifications to two pre-existing characters to make 2 humans and a
> robot, and threw a sloppy set around it . . .

 I think there is definite difference between entering an image that
you created a year ago and regurgitating older material into something
new. Is it cheating to use a chrome texture from metals.inc in each
of your entries ? What is the difference ?

As long as the outcome of your efforts is unique from entry to entry
you really have no unfair advantage - given that you comply with the
the rule that it is created within the contests time period.

John would be terribly put out if he had to abandon his Rusty character
because had used it in a previous round. That fact that he can come
up with original animations using some of the same material says a lot
about his creativity.

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http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: Voting's coming to a close.
Date: 31 Jan 2000 11:17:42
Message: <3895B4D1.CAB95D06@my-dejanews.com>
On the one hand, I did rate John's entry highly and said there was a lot of
originality to his story line:  there were "Other" entries that were bugging me much
more, such as "Creaturez". Somehow, I'm more forgiving of  Rusty reappearing in
animations than I am someone's current 3DS professional project getting tweaked and
thrown at the IRTC.

On the other hand, YES, it would be nice to have a category that by default makes it
near impossible to apply  the character of Rusty to it.

Ken wrote:

> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > <haven't seen results yet>
>
> As long as the outcome of your efforts is unique from entry to entry
> you really have no unfair advantage - given that you comply with the
> the rule that it is created within the contests time period.
>
> John would be terribly put out if he had to abandon his Rusty character
> because had used it in a previous round. That fact that he can come
> up with original animations using some of the same material says a lot
> about his creativity.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: Voting's coming to a close.
Date: 31 Jan 2000 11:49:49
Message: <3895BC59.DACB1263@my-dejanews.com>
Restating the problem, I would love to see Rusty and Boxer in a video entitled
"Partners in Crime."

I think that one-word, vague topics leave open the door to turning the IRTC into a
portfolio shop for pre-existing 3DS professional projects.  The 3DS professional who
has pre-existing models and sets but comes up with a totally new story line, for a
more eclectic topic, however, would delight me just as well.


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From: Karl Pelzer
Subject: Re: Voting's coming to a close.
Date: 31 Jan 2000 12:05:52
Message: <3895C23A.C9CD0F3D@t-online.de>
Hi Greg!

Didn't you know that actually it was Rusty that killed "JFK" <g>?
Useless to think of a topic that Rusty can't fit.

Karl


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