> : I personally
> : feel that picking on spelling a grammar mistakes is petty and
> : uncalled for.
>
>   On the other hand people will never learn to write correctly if no-one
> tells them what they are doing wrong.
>   I personally would like people telling me if I write something wrong,
but
> I have gave up long time ago because people are "too" polite for that. I
have
> no other alternative but learn english just by reading others texts.

Hey with my English, I need all the help I can get! (and I'm a native one
language man myself!).

What sickens me is the British English education system is so dire, even
most of its own citizens cannot grasp the language correctly.

I was on the dyslexic side at school, and for English ended up being dumped
to the bottom class, instead of receiving the extra help I needed. I had an
expected English GCSE grade of 'G', while for other subjects such as math
and science I was in the top sets, looking toward straight A's.

And no one thought this was odd.

Because of my poor English, it was strongly suggested to me that I drop my
main GCSE's at option time, and take supplementary education instead, in
other words, I would have finished school with no qualifications to speak
of, and have some basic life skills instead. (ready for a career on the
social, and painting park benches!!)

You can guess where I told them to stick that idea!

As I happened I retook my English at college and managed to get a D, but
that was only because my main course (IT) took priority and I let the
English course work suffer.

Rick

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In article <3961c060@news.povray.org>, "Rick" <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote:

> Hey with my English, I need all the help I can get! (and I'm a native one
> language man myself!).
> 
> What sickens me is the British English education system is so dire, even
> most of its own citizens cannot grasp the language correctly.
> 
> I was on the dyslexic side at school, and for English ended up being 
> dumped to the bottom class, instead of receiving the extra help I 
> needed. I had an expected English GCSE grade of 'G', while for other 
> subjects such as math and science I was in the top sets, looking 
> toward straight A's.

I know how you feel...I barely passed Grammar II this year, and may have 
to take the second semester again next year. My other subjects, while 
not straight A's, were much better. I'm not dyslexic, I just can't 
identify sentence parts. It's like I categorize words differently from 
the person who wrote the grammar book(which seems to be written by 
someone obsessed with finding the most complex way in which to explain 
things). Many of the constructions of English seem clumsy and unnatural 
to me, though because it is the only language I know, I can't compare 
with others.
Not surprisingly, when I took the SAT(an ability test), language came 
out behind everything else.

And if you think the British system is bad, look at some of the stuff 
some Americans write. And most of them don't even care that people can 
barely understand them.(If I make a spelling mistake, please point it 
out. If I make a grammar mistake, also point it out, but I will probably 
forget it 5 minutes after I read it.)

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> > P.S. Spelling and grammar do count.
> 
> In defense of Lavender and all non-english speaking people who visit
> this news server -
[Snip]
Long thread is following this post, but where is mentioned POVRay and
Windows?

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On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:47:02 -0700, Bruce L <dke### [at] sksympaticoca>
wrote:

>Maybe we could have English passed over to one of those ISO commities,
>and get the whole mess cleared up <g>

I'd rather learn GNU-English when a stable version is out.


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] usanet
TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg

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Rick <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote:
: What sickens me is the British English education system is so dire, even
: most of its own citizens cannot grasp the language correctly.

  I don't know why, but it seems that I am the only person (at least here
in Finland) who doesn't dislike the British accent. Actually it sounds quite
interesting.
  I don't know how to talk with that accent, but I like hearing it :)

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message news:3964b9e9@news.povray.org...
| Rick <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote:
|   I don't know how to talk with that accent, but I like hearing it :)

You must like analog sounds then.  That's what I'd call the English accent
anyhow.  A sort of even undulation from highs and lows at various frequencies,
or sine wave.  And I'd call the southern drawl (from around these parts of the
USA that's our accent) a more saw-toothed analog sound.
Of course, this is mere opinion and I could be totally mistaken about the
comparison.

Bob

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lavender <lav### [at] hotmailcom> wrote...
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> I ask again for the acseptance of my humble apology. The pov team has in
my
> opinion produced an extraordinay program that no other program can touch.
[clip]
> Thank you Pov Team for Povray and the loooong hours you have put into it.

As a POV-Team member, it pleases me more to respond to this post than to
your previous post.  :-)  I just have a few comments.

First, some people are working on a PVM version of MegaPov (a PVM version of
the official version already exists).  This PVM version will allow network
rendering (client/slave) on a Windows network, though it currently doesn't
work with radiosity.

Secondly, I'd like to thank the POV users who stood up for us and all of the
work that we've done.  And I also appreciate your kind comments in this
post.  :-)  It is my desire that your future relationship with members of
the POV community and POV-Team are all positive with a mutual respect and
understanding.  It is unfortunate that we seem to have gotten off on the
wrong foot, but it doesn't have to stay that way.

Sincerely,
Nathan Kopp

I speak for myself and not the POV-Team.

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Your attitude might be appropriate when directed to someone who were to make a
non-working modeller and then were sassy to people who try to get help.

This attitude is ridiculous when applied to our good friends the pov team, who
reaffirm our faith in the nobleness of humanity.

Would demoralizing freeware programmers help the financial bottom line of Newtek?

lavender wrote:

> Grand I finally provoke a hidden pov team member to finially come out in to the
> light and talk to me. I have triied to get this for a while now.
>
> One: Why are you programming POVRAY?
> My hope answer: To produce the best and most capable program to your abilities.
> Why my stance: The limits you have placed on povray show you amount of pride in
> your work. If a process is available you should not count it out just because
> you do not want to put your time into your creation. You should try harder to
> do what you have set out to do. I complaine about the pov team backing off of
> their commitment to all of us that use the very program the team created. It is
> called integraty. If I say I will do something I must do it. If I only go half
> way I lack integraty.
>
> You claim how difficult it is to do what I have sudjested but I have done just
> what I have asked with clumsey and slow code. It does not dive directly into
> the pov code but uses Povray as an engine. That tells me that it is not that
> difficult to do.
>
> Secondly men where able to send a person to the moon useing a slide rule so any
> rebuff from the pov team about what can and can not be done is a result of
> their direct willingness to apply the energy required.
>
> One of these post stated that there is no other program that uses network
> rendering over multiple platforms. I would send them to the Newtek site.
>
> http://www.newtek.com
>
> Lightwave has been doing this for a very long time. And yes they have radiosity
> also. They are driven by money. The pov team should be driven by pride. This is
> a great accomplishment they have in creating a program such as povray with no
> direct finatial input and limited time. To fall short now is like an athlete
> training hard and winning some local meets and then going to the olipics just
> to set in the stands.
>
> The Pov team has the knowlage and the ability to make Povray the most powerfull
> program available. They just need to be pushed like an athalete to perform at
> the level we all know they can reach.

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Warp wrote:

>   On the other hand people will never learn to write correctly if no-one
> tells them what they are doing wrong.
>   I personally would like people telling me if I write something wrong, but
> I have gave up long time ago because people are "too" polite for that. I have
> no other alternative but learn english just by reading others texts.
>

On the other hand people will never learn to write correctly if NO ONE WERE TO
tell them what they are doing wrong.

I personally would like people TO TELL ME IF I WERE TO WRITE something wrong.

Just kidding, but I think this is the more correct usage.

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On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:50:02 -0400, Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>On the other hand people will never learn to write correctly if NO ONE WERE TO
                          ^^^^ would
>tell them what they are doing wrong.

-- 
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My opinions.  Mine.  Not anyone else's.

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