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On 18 Mar 2004 10:53:21 -0500, ingo <ing### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
>It was strange to me too at first, until I tried The Gimp in a two monitor
>situation. One screen for the image(s), one screen for all the pallettes
>and stuff so it gets to be a big control panel. Then it makes a lot more
>sense.
Hard to do that on a six-years-old laptop :)
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
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> My KDE only shows the applications in the current desktop. I find this
> behaviour useful.
IMHO this is the only setting that really makes sense of using
several virtual desktops, and I could not stand without (even fvwm is
able to do that).
- NC
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In article <83ej50524q8fie3hl5ciqsrc1tmgc7e1vp@4ax.com>, pet### [at] vipbg
says...
> As per my original post, I found a way to avoid some problems I (and I
> know many others) find annoying and wanted to share. As per some other
> posts, which probably don't belong to this thread and maybe not even
> to this group, I would like to find the reasoning behind the current
> GIMP design from a useability point of view, since this is a somewhat
> professional interest of mine. I do not want this to be a PS vs. GIMP
> thread and even less so a flame war - I want to use the best of both
> worlds and I believe I am on my way to doing so.
>
You know.. One irony here is Paintshop Pro. It uses a system I think
makes sense. The individual images are contained in a single MDI
interface as it the toolbar. No need to scramble about trying to figure
out which one you are working with. Adjustments to the tools, like
changing opacity or size are handled with floating windows.
Then I try Gimp. Yes, I can position the 'image' window as I like, but
there is no practical way to tile images, so I can work between them,
even if there was, it would treat all the other floating windows as
something to be tiled too. The floating windows are huge compared to the
very small 'drop down when needed' tools used in PSP, so you can't get
the damn things almost entirely out of your way if you want to make the
image window full screen. Changing the magnification scale doesn't help
matters. Opening a new image causes it to be either the wrong size
(usually too small) or resizes to fit the image, so it is now not full
screen anymore, etc..
I don't mind all the floating stuff, except it takes up room it doesn't
need to when I am not actually using it and you can't get the main image
window to behave in anything even approaching a sane and usable way as it
exists. I much prefer PSP. Imho.. If Gimp's main tool window was smaller,
taking up only the top of the screen, its other gadgets where drop down,
that just showed the basic title of the toolset, these things remained
floating on the 'top' of the other windows and Gimp was smart enough to
'tile' or 'stack' images in the space below the main toolbar (and to not
screw up the tiling if you zoom in or out on one of the images), I would
have been quite happy. MDI isn't really necessary for something like
this, but Gimp's implementation of a purely floating and disjointed
window system is irritating in the extreme. Even a badly designed MDI
would be better in many ways.
I agree with someone else's post, the current design is practical with
more than one display. However, I agree with you that on a single display
it is far more irritating that useful.
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> Is anyone here using The GIMP? If so, do you find it awkward that it
> doesn't feature a root window as in PhotoShop, PhotoPaint, PSP,
> Painter and virtually every single graphics app out there?
>
> I do. I hate accidentally clicking outside the image area and have a
> background application pop up. Also, I hate it when I have to alt-tab
> through a dozen GIMP windows, all with the same icon, to find the
> right one.
At first, I thought it to be very annoying, too. And I still think it's
annoying when I try to use Gimp with my mouse only. But when you use
your keyboard a lot, it really gets better (Although it's a shame that
there is no shortcut for the tool's option dialog).
But I have to admit that dockable windows in a root window would be a
better way to go (if you can't afford 2 monitors, *seigh*). The problem
with this solution is that the screen can be too crowded. I've seen this
for example in QtDesigner (which is a pain, although I think Qt has some
great potential). There you got the "Tools" window and the "object
property" window and so on. All of them are designed rather big (the KDE
theme I'm using might add some size, too), and so there's not much left
to design dialogs in. OTOH, you need almost all of those windows the
most time. Again, the PhotoShop way is a good way IMHO. Press some keys
(I think it's tab) and the tool windows etc. disappear. Press the key
again and they're back. Wonderful :)
And if we are talking about annoying Gimp features - does anyone think
that the text tool is something one can really work with? Either I'm
doing something completely wrong, or the developper of that tool should
be sent to *some bad and evil spot full of bad interfaces". Hm. Perhaps
he should be forced to use all the programs described in the "Interface
Hall of Shame" (http://tinyurl.com/nc3q always worth a visit to see how
you should *not* do it).
Just my 2 cents,
Florian
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Among other things, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> I don't mind all the floating stuff, except it takes up room it doesn't
> need to when I am not actually using it and you can't get the main image
> window to behave in anything even approaching a sane and usable way as it
> exists. I much prefer PSP. Imho.. If Gimp's main tool window was smaller,
> taking up only the top of the screen, its other gadgets where drop down,
> that just showed the basic title of the toolset, these things remained
> floating on the 'top' of the other windows and Gimp was smart enough to
> 'tile' or 'stack' images in the space below the main toolbar (and to not
> screw up the tiling if you zoom in or out on one of the images), I would
> have been quite happy.
In case you don't know/remember: You can "roll up" windows in KDE, just
double-click the title bar (I think that's the default) and the window will
shrink to it, then just hover the mouse for a couple of moments on the
titlebar and it will unroll.
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:09:52 +0100, Florian Brucker
<tor### [at] torfboldcom> wrote:
>At first, I thought it to be very annoying, too. And I still think it's
>annoying when I try to use Gimp with my mouse only. But when you use
>your keyboard a lot, it really gets better (Although it's a shame that
>there is no shortcut for the tool's option dialog).
Unless you accidentally lose focus while working with the keyboard and
your left palm or thumb base touches the touchpad (happens to me a
lot). Does not happen if it works in a nested server.
>And if we are talking about annoying Gimp features
We are not, at least it is not my intention to. I suggested a tip to
overcome one particular feature of the GIMP (which can help for other
programs, too) and it branched into a GUI discussion. But we're not
bashing on the GIMP per se.
>the "Interface Hall of Shame" (http://tinyurl.com/nc3q always worth
>a visit to see how you should *not* do it).
Definitely so!
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
TAG e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg
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Warp wrote:
> I usually run Gimp in its own virtual desktop (with no other
> applications running in the same desktop). Should be as good as
> a root windowed version...
>
I'm doing this too. I'm using WindowMaker, and for all the applications
I disabled the title bars, disabled the resize bars, disabled the
borders, I activated the "focus follow mouse"; everything works fine and
I dont waste screen space !
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Florian Brucker <tor### [at] torfboldcom> wrote:
> Perhaps
> he should be forced to use all the programs described in the "Interface
> Hall of Shame" (http://tinyurl.com/nc3q always worth a visit to see how
> you should *not* do it).
It's a shame it has been last updated almost 4 years ago... (It would be
very nice to see a commentary on eg. the Windows XP GUI etc, but apparently
they just stopped updating that site long time ago.)
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In article <405a1f80@news.povray.org>, jel### [at] M-yahoocom says...
> Among other things, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>
> > I don't mind all the floating stuff, except it takes up room it doesn't
> > need to when I am not actually using it and you can't get the main image
> > window to behave in anything even approaching a sane and usable way as it
> > exists. I much prefer PSP. Imho.. If Gimp's main tool window was smaller,
> > taking up only the top of the screen, its other gadgets where drop down,
> > that just showed the basic title of the toolset, these things remained
> > floating on the 'top' of the other windows and Gimp was smart enough to
> > 'tile' or 'stack' images in the space below the main toolbar (and to not
> > screw up the tiling if you zoom in or out on one of the images), I would
> > have been quite happy.
>
> In case you don't know/remember: You can "roll up" windows in KDE, just
> double-click the title bar (I think that's the default) and the window will
> shrink to it, then just hover the mouse for a couple of moments on the
> titlebar and it will unroll.
>
Hmm. Interesting.. The only issue here is that I was trying to use Gimp
on Windows, since I don't have a licensed version of PSP for both of the
machines I need a graphic editor on. Of course Gimp malfunctions on 98,
so that really didn't help me much. But nice to know that feature exists
under KDE. If Gimp worked right for me under 98, I would check to see if
it did there too, but I think I am better off just deleting it. They
don't recommend using the Windows version on Pre-NT systems anyway. :(
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Warp wrote:
> I usually run Gimp in its own virtual desktop (with no other
> applications running in the same desktop). Should be as good as
> a root windowed version...
>
Me too, the images dialog helps with many images also.
An other option I became to use a lot is to put different images
into layers of the same gimp image.
This gives a similar behavior like root window style but
one can compare images on the fly just by comparing pixel values
by setting the appropriate layer mode.
You can also copy parts of a layer, make it invisible
(in the layer dialog) and paste it into an other layer.
This works fine if you have images with similar resolutions.
The gimp image then has to have the dimensions of the largest image...
Regards,
Sebastian H.
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