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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:42:37 -0400, einarabelc5 wrote:
> OHH AND BY THE WAY IF YOU GAT PISSED THATS YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE...GROW
> UP..
Dude, chill out. You're the one asking for help, so it's in your best
interest to work within the established framework. It is not in your best
interest to demand that the community bend to your will and way of
working. That's now how online communities work.
Nobody's *entitled* to help (unless you've paid for it, that's a different
matter), and being discourteous to those who can help you is a surefire
way to get people to NOT help you.
I know after seeing this reply to St., I'd certainly not be inclined to
help you even if I had the skills or knowledge. Getting pissed at people
who *can* help you is a surefire way to get added to a twit filter.
Often times in online communities, when asking about something, it's not
good form to post a link to another set of communities (particularly to an
attachment to a message). Discussion ensues about the linked file, and
then the linked file disappears. What then? Someone sees an answer that
might work for their question, but the referenced file/image/whatever
isn't there anymore, so there's no way to find out. So the community has
to suffer because someone couldn't figure out how to (or how to ask nicely
how to) post the file locally so it's not going to vanish at the whim of
some other systems administrator.
Another issue is that if you link to a file in a remote community, if they
require registration, well geez, now I gotta register on a site I'm never
going to use in order to help this guy out? I don't think so - he's the
one who wants help, it's up to the guy who's asking the question to make
it convenient for me to help him out.
Whether the Nvidia forums require registration or not is completely
irrelevant, so don't even go there. If I had to figure out each and every
different set of forums' rules for whether registration was required to
download a file/read a message/whatever for every message posted, I'd give
up and go find something else to do. So that ain't happening. You could
give me your login and password and I still wouldn't go there. Too damned
much hassle when there's a completely viable and workable solution: Post
to the group indicated where I know I can access the file.
You don't need port 119 access to post files. If you ask nicely, maybe
someone will walk you through it so you can get the help you desire.
If you want help from an online community, you gotta work within the
framework of the community, whether you like it or not. Berating those
who have the skills and abilities to help you is a surefire way to prevent
you from getting the help you want.
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I have to agree with you.
I wasn't pissed at Steve, he just felt aggravated for what I said. I can
post atachments ouside my company, using Outlook as a newsreader, and In
this particular case I seriously doubt Nvidia forums would go down, at
least for long, and no they dont ask you to register to see what I posted,
you can get in and do what I ask without login in.
Besides, whats in your best interest as a contributor to POV-RAY? To
developed it, so why don't look for integration with world proved, time
tested, modelers like 3dsMax/Viz, wouldn't it be great to compete against
Mental Ray, AIR, and VRAY? Still basing in GNU. I don't see the point of
helping each other if you're gonna get offended and don't find workarounds
for things. If so, then you're right, go find something better to do than
getting pissed off.
Anyways, the policies you claim are completely reasonable.
I just dont see the point of posting a question and not getting the answer
when I provided a means to you to see my questions.
Again:
Just go here:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=19820
try to download WITHOUT LOGGING in...see what happens...
Anyway my suggestion is, once you get the means get a fully workable web
based forum system.
On other thing.
Just so you see I am accustomed to work in collaboration:
I have used these same means (NVIDIA Forums) to work with the 3D win
people(the exporter form .ASE to .POV) and they say is a problem with the
Demo version. I'm still conducting tests with them and will draw to a
conclusion soon.
Look in sourceforge.net for 3dsmax, there are some libraries in C for
developing exporting plugins. Pherhaps you expect some day to do some
professional work with 3dsmax and serve some architects/designers.
I mean Pov-RAy is already in some Grids, it supports distributed rendering
through MegaPov XRS and yes is independent from the modeler. That would be
Its biggest peak over some renderers like VRAY which needs 3dsmax/VIZ to
work.
Feel free to contact me for col### [at] einar coutin@gmail.com
Cheers
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"einarabelc5" <ein### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:web.45378fa96ba6d37b8ca7f8dc0@news.povray.org...
>I have to agree with you.
> I wasn't pissed at Steve, he just felt aggravated for what I said.
No, not really, it was more the way you said it. All I was doing was
telling you what p.b.s-f is and thought that you might not be seeing it on
the website so suggested the newsreader route (without knowing you couldn't
access the groups whilst being at work). And then you replied to me with the
'man' thing. ;)
I can
> post atachments ouside my company, using Outlook as a newsreader, and In
> this particular case I seriously doubt Nvidia forums would go down, at
> least for long, and no they dont ask you to register to see what I posted,
> you can get in and do what I ask without login in.
Yeah, I checked and the last time I looked you had 4 downloads of each
file, so someone is interested. Maybe you'll get your answer yet.
>
> Besides, whats in your best interest as a contributor to POV-RAY? To
> developed it, so why don't look for integration with world proved, time
> tested, modelers like 3dsMax/Viz, wouldn't it be great to compete against
> Mental Ray, AIR, and VRAY? Still basing in GNU.
Hey, try being a Wings modeller around here! I tell you, it's like
walking on broken glass - you *have* to tread SO carefully! ;)
No, they're a great bunch of guys and girls, and I don't think there's one
that hasn't helped someone else at their time of need.
I don't see the point of
> helping each other if you're gonna get offended and don't find workarounds
> for things.
Trust me, nobody gets offended, but that's the point, the guys around
here do find workarounds for a lot of things from all kinds of code to the
actual pov website - if someone knows something that will make life easier
for someone else, it's usually shared, low level to top level and back.
If so, then you're right, go find something better to do than
> getting pissed off.
>
> Anyways, the policies you claim are completely reasonable.
Yep, Jim is bang on with his reply.
> I just dont see the point of posting a question and not getting the answer
> when I provided a means to you to see my questions.
But you've had at least 4 downloads of each file, (unless it was you and
your mates, checking on different systems). ;)
~Steve~
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:46:01 -0400, einarabelc5 wrote:
> I have to agree with you.
> I wasn't pissed at Steve, he just felt aggravated for what I said.
I sure didn't see that. I think you're reading that into his message.
But it sure looked like you were pissed - posting in caps and all that is
a usual indicator that someone's angry.
> Besides, whats in your best interest as a contributor to POV-RAY? To
> developed it, so why don't look for integration with world proved, time
> tested, modelers like 3dsMax/Viz, wouldn't it be great to compete against
> Mental Ray, AIR, and VRAY? Still basing in GNU. I don't see the point of
> helping each other if you're gonna get offended and don't find workarounds
> for things. If so, then you're right, go find something better to do than
> getting pissed off.
In the time it took you to write all of this, you could've solved your
problem very simply by posting the information requested in the place it
was requested to be posted. You've now wasted the better part of two days
arguing about whether or not your request was reasonable or not, when you
could've just done what was asked and been done with it.
> Anyways, the policies you claim are completely reasonable. I just dont see
> the point of posting a question and not getting the answer when I provided
> a means to you to see my questions.
And when the link goes away? Again, that's the point of that type of
policy in most online forums. As you say, it's reasonable, so just follow
it.
> Again:
> Just go here:
> http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=19820
>
> try to download WITHOUT LOGGING in...see what happens...
Sorry, no. As I said, I don't have the expertise in the area you're
asking about, just pointing out that you're not winning any points or
making friends by being belligerant about what you've now said is in fact
a reasonable request.
> Anyway my suggestion is, once you get the means get a fully workable web
> based forum system.
I hate web-based forums. Threading sucks in most of them. I use a
newsreader, and most web-based forums have awful to no NNTP integration
support.
> On other thing.
>
> Just so you see I am accustomed to work in collaboration:
Bravo. Look, I've been doing online collaboration for some 15+ years,
using proprietary BBS', newsgroups/USENET, web-based forums, etc. I
didn't jump in to start a pissing contenst about who's got the greater
experience in online communities or online collaboration. I jumped in to
recommend that when you're asking for help and someone tells you how to
better be helped, you follow the recommendations given. There's a reason
why the suggestion was made, and it wasn't to piss you off, it was so the
discussion benefits not just you, but the community. Deciding that your
benefit is more important than the community is selfish and not likely to
get you helped.
That's all I'm saying.
Jim
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>
> No, not really, it was more the way you said it. All I was doing was
> telling you what p.b.s-f is and thought that you might not be seeing it on
> the website so suggested the newsreader route (without knowing you couldn't
> access the groups whilst being at work). And then you replied to me with the
> 'man' thing. ;)
>
Well I apologize I'm not a native English Speaker. Will considerate it form
now on.
>
> Yeah, I checked and the last time I looked you had 4 downloads of each
> file, so someone is interested. Maybe you'll get your answer yet.
That was the Forum admin at the 3dwin software site. He helped a lot quick
and promptly their forum doesn't allowed to attach files either.
>
> >
> > Besides, whats in your best interest as a contributor to POV-RAY? To
> > developed it, so why don't look for integration with world proved, time
> > tested, modelers like 3dsMax/Viz, wouldn't it be great to compete against
> > Mental Ray, AIR, and VRAY? Still basing in GNU.
>
> Hey, try being a Wings modeller around here! I tell you, it's like
> walking on broken glass - you *have* to tread SO carefully! ;)
>
> No, they're a great bunch of guys and girls, and I don't think there's one
> that hasn't helped someone else at their time of need.
>
Well I think the way to go Is to develop a plugin a.l.a Amaretto Gelato, the
wall is in the materials, passing many times Gelato doesn't have the
materials to do the rendering, hey even mental ray gives the same problems
some times. The only infalible renderer so far Is the default scan line
renderer.
And so you know I am completely new to the 3d Modeling scene. I'm an
Electrical Engineer who works in Visualization at a SuperComputing Centre
and have many desires to get this done,
>
> I don't see the point of
> > helping each other if you're gonna get offended and don't find workarounds
> > for things.
>
>
> Trust me, nobody gets offended, but that's the point, the guys around
> here do find workarounds for a lot of things from all kinds of code to the
> actual pov website - if someone knows something that will make life easier
> for someone else, it's usually shared, low level to top level and back.
>
That's what I though and What I'm used to.
>
> If so, then you're right, go find something better to do than
> > getting pissed off.
> >
> > Anyways, the policies you claim are completely reasonable.
>
> Yep, Jim is bang on with his reply.
>
>
>
> > I just dont see the point of posting a question and not getting the answer
> > when I provided a means to you to see my questions.
>
> But you've had at least 4 downloads of each file, (unless it was you and
> your mates, checking on different systems). ;)
Now you know it was this guy:
http://www.tb-software.com/board/showthread.php?action=newpost&tid=18
Take care and thread lightly. (y)
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:46:01 -0400, einarabelc5 wrote:
>
> > I have to agree with you.
> > I wasn't pissed at Steve, he just felt aggravated for what I said.
>
> I sure didn't see that. I think you're reading that into his message.
> But it sure looked like you were pissed - posting in caps and all that is
> a usual indicator that someone's angry.
I was annoyed because I wasn't getting help.
You'll see you shouldn't think everyone has the same resources and ease
and/or aviability of management of things. Just a point so you don't put
everyone in your shoes. When I say I can't I mean I can't. AS soon as I
could subscribe to the newsletter I did, and yet here I am posting using
the online form and its textbox cause Outlook just doesn't do It. My point
is: why add more complication at the process of doing something when you
can get around it and fix it later doin' it right?
>
> > Besides, whats in your best interest as a contributor to POV-RAY? To
> > developed it, so why don't look for integration with world proved, time
> > tested, modelers like 3dsMax/Viz, wouldn't it be great to compete against
> > Mental Ray, AIR, and VRAY? Still basing in GNU. I don't see the point of
> > helping each other if you're gonna get offended and don't find workarounds
> > for things. If so, then you're right, go find something better to do than
> > getting pissed off.
>
> In the time it took you to write all of this, you could've solved your
> problem very simply by posting the information requested in the place it
> was requested to be posted. You've now wasted the better part of two days
> arguing about whether or not your request was reasonable or not, when you
> could've just done what was asked and been done with it.
You see thats the thing I didn't stuck here I got around it, see:
http://www.tb-software.com/board/showthread.php?action=newpost&tid=18
> > Anyways, the policies you claim are completely reasonable. I just dont see
> > the point of posting a question and not getting the answer when I provided
> > a means to you to see my questions.
>
> And when the link goes away? Again, that's the point of that type of
> policy in most online forums. As you say, it's reasonable, so just follow
> it.
Hey man i was looking for a quick, practical solution, I didn't wanted to
add more load to the problem. Are you European?
> > Again:
> > Just go here:
> > http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=19820
> >
> > try to download WITHOUT LOGGING in...see what happens...
>
> Sorry, no. As I said, I don't have the expertise in the area you're
> asking about, just pointing out that you're not winning any points or
> making friends by being belligerant about what you've now said is in fact
> a reasonable request.
Again, quickness. Configure newsreader later. Why wait half a day for
something that can be done back and forth in half an hour? Again, are you
European?
Steve's just replied being very friendly and polite, See my reply to him.
> > Anyway my suggestion is, once you get the means get a fully workable web
> > based forum system.
>
> I hate web-based forums. Threading sucks in most of them. I use a
> newsreader, and most web-based forums have awful to no NNTP integration
> support.
That's your opinion and being entitled to it doesn't mean you have to make
anyone else think like you and get into your shoes. Hey when I thought
Steve's was pissed because I said "man" to him not knowing it could be
offending I let him be pissed and deal with it himself.
> > On other thing.
> >
> > Just so you see I am accustomed to work in collaboration:
>
> Bravo. Look, I've been doing online collaboration for some 15+ years,
> using proprietary BBS', newsgroups/USENET, web-based forums, etc. I
> didn't jump in to start a pissing contenst about who's got the greater
> experience in online communities or online collaboration. I jumped in to
> recommend that when you're asking for help and someone tells you how to
> better be helped, you follow the recommendations given. There's a reason
> why the suggestion was made, and it wasn't to piss you off, it was so the
> discussion benefits not just you, but the community. Deciding that your
> benefit is more important than the community is selfish and not likely to
> get you helped.
>
> That's all I'm saying.
>
> Jim
Ok I see, I just didn't did it because, (please understand) "I COULDN'T
FOLLOW THEM"; so I found an inmediate alternative and MOVED ON to help YOU
help me, to keep it going. Later I insisted on following the policies
because I always saw the point of doing it. That's the whole point, don't
try to get everyone else into your shoes, and make them think like you.
The conclussion of all this is:
Don't drive any conclussions without getting the whole information. And that
goes for the three of us.
Peace I'm Out.
Oh and BTW peeing didn't come to any section of Triune Brain. Being animal,
logical and sentimental.
Einar.
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:44:56 -0400, einarabelc5 wrote:
> I was annoyed because I wasn't getting help. You'll see you shouldn't
> think everyone has the same resources and ease and/or aviability of
> management of things. Just a point so you don't put everyone in your
> shoes. When I say I can't I mean I can't. AS soon as I could subscribe to
> the newsletter I did, and yet here I am posting using the online form and
> its textbox cause Outlook just doesn't do It. My point is: why add more
> complication at the process of doing something when you can get around it
> and fix it later doin' it right?
Because there didn't have to be more complication. In fact, if you'd
asked nicely instead of getting upset, someone could've explained to you
that you can in fact post binaries through the web interface.
> You see thats the thing I didn't stuck here I got around it, see:
>
> http://www.tb-software.com/board/showthread.php?action=newpost&tid=18
<shrug> Good for you.
>> And when the link goes away? Again, that's the point of that type of
>> policy in most online forums. As you say, it's reasonable, so just
>> follow it.
> Hey man i was looking for a quick, practical solution, I didn't wanted to
> add more load to the problem. Are you European?
No, I live in Utah. But I don't just think about *me* when it comes to
asking for help, and I don't see why others shouldn't consider the benefit
to others of having things accessible easily and within the format that
they're accustomed to within a community.
>> > Again:
>> > Just go here:
>> > http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=19820
>> >
>> > try to download WITHOUT LOGGING in...see what happens...
>>
>> Sorry, no. As I said, I don't have the expertise in the area you're
>> asking about, just pointing out that you're not winning any points or
>> making friends by being belligerant about what you've now said is in
>> fact a reasonable request.
> Again, quickness. Configure newsreader later. Why wait half a day for
> something that can be done back and forth in half an hour? Again, are you
> European?
Again, no, I live in Utah. But quickness for you at the inconvenience of
those who (a) are able to help you, and (b) come after with the same issue
and then can't find your post on the other forum for whatever reason -
NVidia gets acquired by ATI (who knows, it could happen) and ATI shuts
down the forum in order to integrate it into theirs - who knows - the link
is dead and the discussion is useless.
Think about more than just yourself.
>> I hate web-based forums. Threading sucks in most of them. I use a
>> newsreader, and most web-based forums have awful to no NNTP integration
>> support.
> That's your opinion and being entitled to it doesn't mean you have to make
> anyone else think like you and get into your shoes. Hey when I thought
> Steve's was pissed because I said "man" to him not knowing it could be
> offending I let him be pissed and deal with it himself.
No, but it does mean that when I participate in a community, I don't
expect the community to bend to my way of thinking (which is what you're
attempting to do by saying "visit this other forum to see what my problem
is"). If the community expectation is that you post the details of your
problem *here*, then post them *here*. Don't expect people to have to
visit another set of forums (again, registration needed? Don't know,
don't care, I don't own NVidia equipment and it's your problem, not mine,
so I'm not inclined to bother to find out if I have to register or
whatnot. If everyone did what you're doing, nobody would get anything
answered and the community would lose cohesiveness).
> Ok I see, I just didn't did it because, (please understand) "I COULDN'T
> FOLLOW THEM"; so I found an inmediate alternative and MOVED ON to help YOU
> help me, to keep it going. Later I insisted on following the policies
> because I always saw the point of doing it. That's the whole point, don't
> try to get everyone else into your shoes, and make them think like you.
That's the thing, you *could* have followed them if you'd asked *how*.
You're posting through the web interface (obviously), so a better question
would've been "how do I post an attachment through the web interface" not
to declare "I can't post an attachment because I assume you need a
newsreader to do so and I can't use NNTP".
Again, when a community sets a standard, it's up to you as a newcomer to
follow the standard practices of the community, not to assume you can
force them to follow your way of doing things. That tends to piss off the
members of the community and that works counter to your goal of resolving
your problem.
> The conclussion of all this is:
>
> Don't drive any conclussions without getting the whole information. And
> that goes for the three of us.
I *didn't* drive any conclusions. I merely pointed out the norms of
participating in online communities based on my 15+ years of experience in
doing so.
> Oh and BTW peeing didn't come to any section of Triune Brain. Being
> animal, logical and sentimental.
You've stopped making sense here.
Jim
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:44:56 -0400, einarabelc5 wrote:
>
> > I was annoyed because I wasn't getting help. You'll see you shouldn't
> > think everyone has the same resources and ease and/or aviability of
> > management of things. Just a point so you don't put everyone in your
> > shoes. When I say I can't I mean I can't. AS soon as I could subscribe to
> > the newsletter I did, and yet here I am posting using the online form and
> > its textbox cause Outlook just doesn't do It. My point is: why add more
> > complication at the process of doing something when you can get around it
> > and fix it later doin' it right?
>
> Because there didn't have to be more complication. In fact, if you'd
> asked nicely instead of getting upset, someone could've explained to you
> that you can in fact post binaries through the web interface.
>
> > You see thats the thing I didn't stuck here I got around it, see:
> >
> > http://www.tb-software.com/board/showthread.php?action=newpost&tid=18
>
> <shrug> Good for you.
>
> >> And when the link goes away? Again, that's the point of that type of
> >> policy in most online forums. As you say, it's reasonable, so just
> >> follow it.
> > Hey man i was looking for a quick, practical solution, I didn't wanted to
> > add more load to the problem. Are you European?
>
> No, I live in Utah. But I don't just think about *me* when it comes to
> asking for help, and I don't see why others shouldn't consider the benefit
> to others of having things accessible easily and within the format that
> they're accustomed to within a community.
I could just go find a Different renderer If I just thought about me. Oh and
thanks for thinking you're the savior of the world.
>
> >> > Again:
> >> > Just go here:
> >> > http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=19820
> >> >
> >> > try to download WITHOUT LOGGING in...see what happens...
> >>
> >> Sorry, no. As I said, I don't have the expertise in the area you're
> >> asking about, just pointing out that you're not winning any points or
> >> making friends by being belligerant about what you've now said is in
> >> fact a reasonable request.
> > Again, quickness. Configure newsreader later. Why wait half a day for
> > something that can be done back and forth in half an hour? Again, are you
> > European?
>
> Again, no, I live in Utah. But quickness for you at the inconvenience of
> those who (a) are able to help you, and (b) come after with the same issue
> and then can't find your post on the other forum for whatever reason -
> NVidia gets acquired by ATI (who knows, it could happen) and ATI shuts
> down the forum in order to integrate it into theirs - who knows - the link
> is dead and the discussion is useless.
>
> Think about more than just yourself.
>
> >> I hate web-based forums. Threading sucks in most of them. I use a
> >> newsreader, and most web-based forums have awful to no NNTP integration
> >> support.
> > That's your opinion and being entitled to it doesn't mean you have to make
> > anyone else think like you and get into your shoes. Hey when I thought
> > Steve's was pissed because I said "man" to him not knowing it could be
> > offending I let him be pissed and deal with it himself.
>
> No, but it does mean that when I participate in a community, I don't
> expect the community to bend to my way of thinking (which is what you're
> attempting to do by saying "visit this other forum to see what my problem
> is"). If the community expectation is that you post the details of your
> problem *here*, then post them *here*. Don't expect people to have to
> visit another set of forums (again, registration needed? Don't know,
> don't care, I don't own NVidia equipment and it's your problem, not mine,
> so I'm not inclined to bother to find out if I have to register or
> whatnot. If everyone did what you're doing, nobody would get anything
> answered and the community would lose cohesiveness).
>
> > Ok I see, I just didn't did it because, (please understand) "I COULDN'T
> > FOLLOW THEM"; so I found an inmediate alternative and MOVED ON to help YOU
> > help me, to keep it going. Later I insisted on following the policies
> > because I always saw the point of doing it. That's the whole point, don't
> > try to get everyone else into your shoes, and make them think like you.
>
> That's the thing, you *could* have followed them if you'd asked *how*.
> You're posting through the web interface (obviously), so a better question
> would've been "how do I post an attachment through the web interface" not
> to declare "I can't post an attachment because I assume you need a
> newsreader to do so and I can't use NNTP".
>
> Again, when a community sets a standard, it's up to you as a newcomer to
> follow the standard practices of the community, not to assume you can
> force them to follow your way of doing things. That tends to piss off the
> members of the community and that works counter to your goal of resolving
> your problem.
>
> > The conclussion of all this is:
> >
> > Don't drive any conclussions without getting the whole information. And
> > that goes for the three of us.
>
> I *didn't* drive any conclusions. I merely pointed out the norms of
> participating in online communities based on my 15+ years of experience in
> doing so.
It says at the end of the Web interface and I quote:
Attachments
You may not post attachments to this newsgroup.
So what else is there to asume? That suddenly you are gonna tell me *how* to
post an attachment without me never occuring to ask because the newsletter
systems SAYS YOU CAN'T POST ATTACHMENTS, and that by then, I might just get
lucky. AHHHH *TILT* WRONG ANSWER. Sorry...I've been done with Totalitarism a
long time ago.
Wait for you to show up and show me the way.
THERE'S NO SCARCITY. NEXT!!!
And yes...get pissed/offended/annoyed/frustated/laugh at me/consider me
ridiculous/whatever "just give this whole thing a meaning" and do any of
those, I don't care. Is your responsability to do so as is to do nothing.
And If your point is saying that I'm working against myself here, just look
at Steve's answer. Oh sorry, didn't ya before?
> > Oh and BTW peeing didn't come to any section of Triune Brain. Being
> > animal, logical and sentimental.
>
> You've stopped making sense here.
Of course I did. As I expected you just do not have a sense of humor to
percieve that last sentence. Again it just fits the rest of what you show.
Test Approved. (No, I don't expect you to understand this neither)
Thanks James, you Just answered all the suspicions I had about your way of
thinking.
Good thing there are still people like Steve out there, people you can
reason with. "Much appreciate your answer Steve I admire You for Doin'
that". You do not need to cover insecurities with false pride.
Selfish.. Guilty as CHARGHE...likely to help...Guilty as CHARGE...I just
don't do so many questions...I don't need to. Since I can find answers in
so many other different ways.
Don't worry, I don't expect you to get these things together into your head
as a possible/viable way that can work together.
been done with your kind since a long time ago, ponitless to talk to a
square head.It always have been.
AND YES, FEEL FREE TO CALL ME MORON.
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:59:56 -0400, einarabelc5 wrote:
> I could just go find a Different renderer If I just thought about me. Oh
> and thanks for thinking you're the savior of the world.
No, just explaining to someone who *thinks* they know how the world works
how it *really* works.
> It says at the end of the Web interface and I quote:
>
> Attachments
> You may not post attachments to this newsgroup.
Operative words being "this newsgroup". Didn't think to look in a group
that was labeled as holding binary files, did you? Assumed something
incorrectly? Not really my problem, is it?
> Wait for you to show up and show me the way. THERE'S NO SCARCITY. NEXT!!!
Hardly, you could *ask* if there was an alternative to using a newsreader
instead of *assuming* that that was the only option.
>> > Oh and BTW peeing didn't come to any section of Triune Brain. Being
>> > animal, logical and sentimental.
>>
>> You've stopped making sense here.
>
> Of course I did. As I expected you just do not have a sense of humor to
> percieve that last sentence. Again it just fits the rest of what you show.
> Test Approved. (No, I don't expect you to understand this neither)
Actually, spouting absolute nonsense in the middle of a somewhat serious
discussion and then gauging the reaction of those who choose to respond
as an indication as to whether or not they have a sense of humour or not
is just plain stupid. <shrug> Feel free to make yourself look like an
idiot more, now *that's* funny.
> Thanks James, you Just answered all the suspicions I had about your way of
> thinking.
James? Who is this "James" person of whom you speak, and what relation
does this person's way of thinking have to the discussion at hand? Or are
you *assuming* again that my proper name is "James"? There you go again
with the assumptions. Some people never learn.
> Good thing there are still people like Steve out there, people you can
> reason with. "Much appreciate your answer Steve I admire You for Doin'
> that". You do not need to cover insecurities with false pride.
Insecurities? Hah, now *that's* funny. Again, you don't know anything
about me (other than that I live in Utah, that is, and that's because I
told you).
> Selfish.. Guilty as CHARGHE...likely to help...Guilty as CHARGE...I just
> don't do so many questions...I don't need to. Since I can find answers in
> so many other different ways.
It's your time, not mine. Seems to me it would make more sense to ask
your question one place in a way that allows it to be answered. Then you
wouldn't have to waste time going to six thousand different places hoping
you got an answer. But again, it's your time to waste.
"Likely to help"? Wow, did you misread, I said you were unlikely to
receive help, not likely to provide help. You can do whatever you like,
of course, but pissing off the people who can help you means (let me say
this slowly for your benefit) that THEY are unlikely to help
YOU. Get it?
> Don't worry, I don't expect you to get these things together into your
> head as a possible/viable way that can work together.
>
> I've been done with your kind since a long time ago, ponitless to talk to
> a square head.It always have been.
Ah, invective, how I've missed you. "Square Head" indeed - please, say
something else that's just silly and pointless. Then we can laugh at you
more. More useful than arguing with you? You're nothing more than a -
shall we say - diversion to see just how deep you can dig yourself in?
So please, don't let me stop you, you're doing a *dandy* job.
> AND YES, FEEL FREE TO CALL ME MORON.
That would be far, far too easy. It's far more entertaining to watch you
demonstrate your abilities in that area.
I started with some friendly advice about how to appropriately get the
help you were seeking. It's not my problem that you decided I was
attacking you and have decided to attack back. The exact same reaction
you gave Steve when he initially responded to you. In fact, the reaction
to Steve which started this subthread about (among other things) your lack
of manners in the online world.
I know your kind - the kind that always has to have the last word in an
arguement; the kind who can't admit that they made a mistake. The kind who
can't just say "thanks, I didn't know that's how things worked around
here". The kind who can't admit to making a mistake, own up to it, and
move on with life.
I've dealt with literally *thousands* of people like you over the years.
People who ask a question like "my thing's broke" and expect to get help.
People who, when offered sound advice on how to solve a problem *argue*
with the advice given.
Your kind doesn't make me angry; your kind *amuses* me during the idle
minutes between deadlines.
Jim
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:59:56 -0400, einarabelc5 wrote:
>
> > I could just go find a Different renderer If I just thought about me. Oh
> > and thanks for thinking you're the savior of the world.
>
> No, just explaining to someone who *thinks* they know how the world works
> how it *really* works.
>
> > It says at the end of the Web interface and I quote:
> >
> > Attachments
> > You may not post attachments to this newsgroup.
>
> Operative words being "this newsgroup". Didn't think to look in a group
> that was labeled as holding binary files, did you? Assumed something
> incorrectly? Not really my problem, is it?
>
> > Wait for you to show up and show me the way. THERE'S NO SCARCITY. NEXT!!!
>
> Hardly, you could *ask* if there was an alternative to using a newsreader
> instead of *assuming* that that was the only option.
>
> >> > Oh and BTW peeing didn't come to any section of Triune Brain. Being
> >> > animal, logical and sentimental.
> >>
> >> You've stopped making sense here.
> >
> > Of course I did. As I expected you just do not have a sense of humor to
> > percieve that last sentence. Again it just fits the rest of what you show.
> > Test Approved. (No, I don't expect you to understand this neither)
>
> Actually, spouting absolute nonsense in the middle of a somewhat serious
> discussion and then gauging the reaction of those who choose to respond
> as an indication as to whether or not they have a sense of humour or not
> is just plain stupid. <shrug> Feel free to make yourself look like an
> idiot more, now *that's* funny.
>
> > Thanks James, you Just answered all the suspicions I had about your way of
> > thinking.
>
> James? Who is this "James" person of whom you speak, and what relation
> does this person's way of thinking have to the discussion at hand? Or are
> you *assuming* again that my proper name is "James"? There you go again
> with the assumptions. Some people never learn.
>
> > Good thing there are still people like Steve out there, people you can
> > reason with. "Much appreciate your answer Steve I admire You for Doin'
> > that". You do not need to cover insecurities with false pride.
>
> Insecurities? Hah, now *that's* funny. Again, you don't know anything
> about me (other than that I live in Utah, that is, and that's because I
> told you).
>
> > Selfish.. Guilty as CHARGHE...likely to help...Guilty as CHARGE...I just
> > don't do so many questions...I don't need to. Since I can find answers in
> > so many other different ways.
>
> It's your time, not mine. Seems to me it would make more sense to ask
> your question one place in a way that allows it to be answered. Then you
> wouldn't have to waste time going to six thousand different places hoping
> you got an answer. But again, it's your time to waste.
>
> "Likely to help"? Wow, did you misread, I said you were unlikely to
> receive help, not likely to provide help. You can do whatever you like,
> of course, but pissing off the people who can help you means (let me say
> this slowly for your benefit) that THEY are unlikely to help
> YOU. Get it?
>
> > Don't worry, I don't expect you to get these things together into your
> > head as a possible/viable way that can work together.
> >
> > I've been done with your kind since a long time ago, ponitless to talk to
> > a square head.It always have been.
>
> Ah, invective, how I've missed you. "Square Head" indeed - please, say
> something else that's just silly and pointless. Then we can laugh at you
> more. More useful than arguing with you? You're nothing more than a -
> shall we say - diversion to see just how deep you can dig yourself in?
>
> So please, don't let me stop you, you're doing a *dandy* job.
>
> > AND YES, FEEL FREE TO CALL ME MORON.
>
> That would be far, far too easy. It's far more entertaining to watch you
> demonstrate your abilities in that area.
>
> I started with some friendly advice about how to appropriately get the
> help you were seeking. It's not my problem that you decided I was
> attacking you and have decided to attack back. The exact same reaction
> you gave Steve when he initially responded to you. In fact, the reaction
> to Steve which started this subthread about (among other things) your lack
> of manners in the online world.
>
> I know your kind - the kind that always has to have the last word in an
> arguement; the kind who can't admit that they made a mistake. The kind who
> can't just say "thanks, I didn't know that's how things worked around
> here". The kind who can't admit to making a mistake, own up to it, and
> move on with life.
>
> I've dealt with literally *thousands* of people like you over the years.
> People who ask a question like "my thing's broke" and expect to get help.
> People who, when offered sound advice on how to solve a problem *argue*
> with the advice given.
>
> Your kind doesn't make me angry; your kind *amuses* me during the idle
> minutes between deadlines.
>
> Jim
Ok dude, you're right, I apologize...It was my mistake. Your last response
has changed my mind about you.
The thing Is actually I think just as you do and see that we have many more
points in what we agree than what we do in what we disagree.
I wont make excuses for the stress of the work and wanting to get results
ASAP, didn't meant to harrass no one but didn't wanted to be harrased,
either. I just see you are Cocky but I can cope with that now, it is cool
for me.
My respect to you.
Take care.
Thanks for the experience.
Kind Regards
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