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>> being flamed by Darren for thinking that databases are worth using,
>
> Huh?? I'm ... pretty sure I never meant to imply they aren't.
"Right, sure. DBMS is important. That's why Google and Amazon don't
bother with them."
Implications seems pretty clear to me...
>> I could sit here complaining about how everybody seems to have it in
>> for me. Or I could just face up to the fact that I UPSET PEOPLE, and
>> ask myself why...
>
> Or you could believe maybe you're a bit sensitive and grouping in the
> people who like you with the people who don't, because they're all on
> the same side of the screen.
The Haskell mailing list is an unmoderated list.
So... why is it that every time I post a message there, I get an
autoreply saying "your post to Haskell has been held for moderation",
and 80% of the time the post never appears at all?
*Clearly* I have done something to upset somebody... Don's comments were
particularly cutting:
"Your post qualifies as somewhere between internet prank and internet
troll."
"After 3 years of this, I don't hold out much hope."
etc.
They make me sound like a curse or something. Jesus, am I really that
hated??
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Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> Because you *are* causing disruption. You continue to question things
> the old-timers have taken for granted for so long. Your kind will lead
> the way into the future, stepping over their tired old corpses on the way.
>
> Keep it up.
Oh I WISH!
As if my misguided ramblings will ever lead the way to the future...
Besides, plenty of people ask questions way dumber then me, and they
don't get flamed. So it's clearly not the actual questions which are the
problem.
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>> Warp seems to access the Internet only to tell me I've mis-spelt things.
>
> lol! That is, honestly, one of the funniest things I've read in a long
> time :) Trust me, you're not THAT important to him!
Glad my existence is not a *total* waste of oxygen. :-P
>> It seems like only a few months ago I started learning Haskell, but the
>> other day I found an assay about it, written by me, dated 2004. I've
>> been using this thing for *years*! And during all that time, Warp keeps
>> telling me that it's hopelessly inefficient, and I keep saying it isn't.
>
> If you want efficient, go for C. There's a reason it's still around,
> despite C++ being 20 years old.
>
> Haskell isn't C. It's not trying to be, either.
As far as Warp is concerned, "it's not efficient == it's not worth using".
>> Yet again, the Haskell mailing lists collectively have more PhDs than
>> you can shake a stick at.
>
> Listen to me: the more educated you are, the more likely you are to be
> an asshole - ESPECIALLY to people who either don't understand your point
> of view, or (even worse) people who don't agree with you.
>
> If you show up on their mailing list, asking questions about why things
> are the way they are, you're likely to piss them off just because you
> have good questions. You're not a "yes" man, you're not a fawning
> sycophant, and that makes your intelligence a threat to their
> established positions of power.
I'd agree with you - except that I'm the *only* person receiving this
negative reaction. All the other newbies ask questions and get answers
and so on. Only I seem to get flamed every few months.
>> If it was just one person who disliked me, it probably wouldn't bother
>> me. But when so many otherwise rational, intelligent people all say
>> you're stupid... eventually it starts to sink in.
>
> What about when so many otherwise rational, intelligent people all say
> you're smart & they like you? Who are going to listen to?
They're generally not very vocal.
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>> If you want efficient, go for C. There's a reason it's still around,
>> despite C++ being 20 years old.
>
> /Darren, cooking some popcorn and sitting back to watch Warp's response.
> ;-)
Oh please, he probably won't even read it.
>> Maybe I'm just cynical, but unfortunately my experience backs up
>> humanity's dark side :(
>
> Speaking as an educated person, I have to agree with this one.
You're an asshole, you know that? :-P
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> You're an asshole, you know that? :-P
/Darren does the Jim Carrey asshole dance! \o/
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> being flamed by Darren for thinking that databases are worth using,
>>
>> Huh?? I'm ... pretty sure I never meant to imply they aren't.
>
> "Right, sure. DBMS is important. That's why Google and Amazon don't
> bother with them."
>
> Implications seems pretty clear to me...
Oh right. After a few minutes, I realized what you were talking about. If
you came away with "RDBMs are never useful" from that discussion, you're
overgeneralizing what I'm saying again. :-)
> The Haskell mailing list is an unmoderated list.
>
> So... why is it that every time I post a message there, I get an
> autoreply saying "your post to Haskell has been held for moderation",
> and 80% of the time the post never appears at all?
Seems like it isn't unmoderated, then.
> They make me sound like a curse or something. Jesus, am I really that
> hated??
No. Some people are just assholes. If you're really not trolling, Don's an
asshole. Trolls don't hang around 3 years arguing about stuff.
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Darren New wrote:
> You're not an idiot, and I never thought you were.
Thank God somebody thinks so. Right now, I'm not sure *I* believe it any
more.
I mean, hell, *I* used to think I was a good programmer, even though
people kept telling me I wasn't. But who the hell made me an expert on
who is or isn't good at programming??
Likewise, I know what a monoid is, and most people don't. But that
doesn't exactly make me a maths expert, does it? Maybe I just need to
get over myself and admit that really I know bugger-all about anything...
>> personally must be doing something very wrong to attract this kind of
>> negative attention.
>
> My guess is you're asking hard questions that make the Haskell experts
> feel like they've been wasting their time. Hard questions like "why
> does C add this up in 2 seconds and Haskell takes 7 minutes?"
>
> I've found a good technique is to admit upfront it's probably something
> you're doing wrong yourself, and ask for help fixing it, like "this
> program is much slower than an interative approach - what am I doing
> wrong that makes it so slow?"
The fact that my hurried post makes it sound like I'm criticising the
compiler rather than myself probably didn't help...
But that still doesn't explain the last 3 years.
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:02:13 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
>
> Besides, plenty of people ask questions way dumber then me, and they
> don't get flamed.
Because their questions are dumb, and thus harmless. Consider the
possibility that some people are annoyed with you because you challenge
their deeply rooted preconceptions. They cannot defeat you with knowledge.
All they can do is try to make you go away.
Remember: In time, old people always lose.
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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> You're an asshole, you know that? :-P
>
> /Darren does the Jim Carrey asshole dance! \o/
Shouldn't that be ∈o∋ ?
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> Haskell doesn't suck. It sucks a lot less than C++, certainly. Being
> slower doesn't mean it sucks. The higher-level the language and more
> away from the underlying low-level metal, the better. Haskell sucks a
> lot less performance-wise than most other very high-level languages.
Faster than Java, C#, F#, Erlang, Clean, Lisp... But still not quite as
fast as C.
And let's face it, millions of people can program in C. Why bother
learning Haskell?
>> If it was just one person who disliked me, it probably wouldn't bother
>> me. But when so many otherwise rational, intelligent people all say
>> you're stupid... eventually it starts to sink in.
>
> Being not as intelligent as truly intelligent people is not the same as
> being stupid. Endlessly pestering such bright people over reasonably
> basic stuff you still don't understand... well, that's stupid. ;)
...and when nemesis says I'm stupid, I really *don't* care. :-P
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