In article <web.475ca50f922777eb28937fa00@news.povray.org>, 
nam### [at] gmailcom says...
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > Then you'll have an idea of what it's like to be on the receiving end o
f
> > "spiritual" guidance that is unwelcome and unwanted.  Fair enough?
> 
> geez!  If you wanted to get a "fuck you!" instead of "bless you" you coul
d've
> asked for it from the beginning.  what a fucked up world!
> 
Are you really missing the point that for people that don't believe in 
God, or even just **your god**, telling them "bless you" **is** the same 
thing as saying "fuck you"?

Never mind, of course you don't get it...

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In article <web.475c6523922777eb22e9f4040@news.povray.org>, 
nomail@nomail says...
> Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
> > Sorry, but I call bullshit.
> > It is precisely
> > what the Romans who adopted the religion **wanted** everyone to think,
> > so as to more easily remove all the annoying priests that where not
> > *conveniently* members of their own families. The first Roman family to
> > officially adopt the religion was the Flavians, and the second official
> > pope, considered second *only* because he claimed that was made such by
> > Paul, was *also* a Flavian and a close relative to *ding ding ding*, th
e
> > new Emperor, who thought it would be a real neat idea to adopt
> > Christianity as his families religion. Odd that... lol
> Odd that historians know about nothing about the second pope, Linus, and 
you
> know everything. Can you cite a paper?
> 
That would kind of depend on which history you are reading. The second 
Pope was, officially considered to be Pope Clement Flavius. Mind you, 
the suggestion that he was a Flavian was first suggested in "Acts of 
Saints Nereus and Achilles", in roughly the 5th or 6th century. It 
implies that Clement was in fact the *son* of Titus Flavius. Its hardly 
my fault that you only read the histories from people that *want* your 
version of history to be true, and not the numerous other works around 
them.

But that wouldn't matter anyway. I am sure you can do a google and find 
plenty of modern historians, many of them *specifically* studying 
Biblical history, that are uncertain, or actively disbelieve, that 
Jesus, as described in the Bible, ever existed. Its practically common 
knowledge that they hold this view.

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In article <web.475c5793922777eb22e9f4040@news.povray.org>, 
nomail@nomail says...
> > Don't believe me, then try it yourself. I absolutely guarantee that, no
> > matter how smart or literate the believer, and how careful you are to
> > "only" deal with the arguments they bring up, and be completely fair to
> > them, it will *inevitably* sink to the point where their only defense i
s
> > that they believe, you don't, and until you do, you won't understand th
e
> > sublime genius of their position.
> Obviously. It's like a rational discussion between a left wing and right 
wing
> junkies. Nobody will ever convince the guys on the other side. So what?
> Different axioms at the base of the logical construct make inevitably for
> different conclusions. That is why atheists attack single-mindedly the Ge
nesis
> and Jesus: because they are the roots of Christianism.
> What I find funny, is that the lalala Christians, as you yourself mention
ed in
> another post, use long rants, with lots of asterisks, I've seen it too. W
ell,
> some of it rubbed off on you. LOL.
> 
Oh, yeah, it couldn't possibly be the fact that there are three 
different contradictory versions of events in the former, or that the 
later is thought, even by a large number of Christians, and a great many 
more historians, to be a fictional character.. That can't possibly be 
it.

And you are wrong. Those are just the thing *you* people constantly 
shove in our faces to try to prove science wrong, in the former case, 
and claim moral superiority in the later. If the later where true, I 
would be writing this from a jail cell, having committed multiple mass 
murders. Every scrap of evidence seems to imply that not only is that 
argument entirely invalid, but that you can't open a church without 
attracting pedophiles, lunatics and crazy people like flies to a corpse.

As for using Asterisks... I think you need to look around at some of the 
websites and emails people that think as you do produce. I'll give you a 
hint. They usually use a dozen different clashing colors, 16 different 
font sizes, comic sans and random word capitalization. If you get real 
lucky, it will be written by someone that doesn't know how to use a 
period, attached ! to damn near anything they can, except ironically the 
logical end of sentences, and some of them are so incoherent I can't 
figure out how they got passed 4th grade, never mind high school. A few 
** doesn't even rise to the level of a mild neurotic twitch. These 
people, who actually would think the arguments you are using make sense, 
should be chewing foam out of the walls of a padded cell, not trying to 
defend religion on the Internet.

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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> As for using Asterisks... I think you need to look around at some of the 
> websites and emails people that think as you do produce. 

You're going downhill, Patrick. :-)

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > I was not comparing JHVH to Ra, Zeus or anything.  Just stating that, regardless
> > of the different divine personas the pagans applied to represent the forces of
> > nature, the one true God is the one who really rules over the many different
> > forces of nature.
>
> So, the satanists are really worshiping the same God that you do? As
> well as the Mayans doing human sacrifice?

no, I'm saying they misinterpreted God's actions and began making up their own
idols to represent the many facets of what can't be physically represented.
One of the reasons why God wanted to wipe out life from Earth.

don't put the satanists on the same level as the pagan gods:  the satanists
worship the wrong side of the same Islamic/Christian/Jewish faith, the pagans
just didn't know any better.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> The statistical likelihood of me rolling 3 6 4 5 1 3 4 2 3 on a die is
> identical to me rolling 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 on a die.

oh, I knew you were a satanist... ;)

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > I can't "save" you.  Just ask for it.
>
> Why do I need to ask for it? I'm baptised.

baptism won't save you if you don't believe.

> > free will?!  Do you live in a palace?  Do you have several women?  Do you have a
> > PS3, a home theather with 42' HDTV and Dolby Digital?  Do you kill your boss
> > when you're fed up?  neither do I...
>
> You don't understand what Free Will means, do you?  Or are you implying
> that somehow atheists *don't* have free will? I'm confused.

I'm implying that I have just about as much free will by following God's laws as
he does by following men's laws.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> >> Then you'll have an idea of what it's like to be on the receiving end of
> >> "spiritual" guidance that is unwelcome and unwanted.  Fair enough?
> >
> > geez!  If you wanted to get a "fuck you!" instead of "bless you" you could've
> > asked for it from the beginning.  what a fucked up world!
>
> Would you be offended if you posted you were in a car accident and I
> promised to sacrifice a chicken to Satan for you?

what a fucked up world!  One in which asking for someone's well being is
comparable to worshipping the Enemy.

please, take your medicine, dude...

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Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
> Are you really missing the point that for people that don't believe in
> God, or even just **your god**, telling them "bless you" **is** the same
> thing as saying "fuck you"?

no, I don't understand how wishing for one's well-being is the same as cursing
them.  You don't need to believe in what I believe to benefit from best wishes.

I can understand it, though, in the light of we living in a fucked up, imoral
world.  People without directions in their lifes tend to see everything as gray
rather than black and white.  it's all the same for them, so not surprising at
all...

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Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
> But that wouldn't matter anyway. I am sure you can do a google and find
> plenty of modern historians, many of them *specifically* studying
> Biblical history, that are uncertain, or actively disbelieve, that
> Jesus, as described in the Bible, ever existed. Its practically common
> knowledge that they hold this view.

that's funny.  From one side historians holding that Jesus never existed (in
fact, many have been saying that even from early times very close to those
days).  From another side, James Cameron and crew "discovered" the lost thomb
of Jesus and his wife Mary Magdalene.  From the realm of fiction, we get "Da
Vinci's Code" which seems to support the documentary view that Christ was not
only very real, as very human to the point of having had sons with Mary
Magdalene and did not ressurect in flesh or at all.  Who do you believe?  it's
a matter of faith, again...

I smell a massive "campaign" against Christianism and religions as a whole as
well.  Many Jews lost their faith and are now regarding the OT as merely
legends and folk history.  They did not lose their will to conquer and get
wealthy, though.  Islamic countries are bombarded and their peoples encaged.
Lots of bad things are going through the world these days.  Some would say
we're approaching the end.  all in the name of free will...

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